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Originally Posted by Slighted
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1. I trust Trump and think he has a big heart that's in the right place.
1. why? do you have examples this is at all possibly true?
There are many reasons that together make a very compelling case that he's doing what he does for the right reasons and has a big, non-racist heart.
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2. no it isnt, no third trimester abortion isn't infanticide by any definition.
The absurdity of "inside the mother = can be killed on a whim for no good reason and outside the mother = it's a full human with 20 years jail if you kill it" has never really been reconciled imo. It's the same entity. Human right to life doesn't depend on a displacement of 1 meter. It depends on whether you're human and have a functioning mind.
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3. so facts are toxic? sounds about right..
Facts are not what you think they are. Why are they stated? How do they shift focus? How do they frame the world? Choice of facts presented can and often is more biased/false than actual lies. This is part of the "wisdom" bit I'm talking about.
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4. hes the president of the united states his exaggerations have massive ripples, including inciting violence, moving financial markets, and having effects that should not be caused by intentionally lying to feel better about himself.
Facts don't present the coherent narrative about the world that humans need to be functional and moral. In fact, I would argue that facts uninformed by narrative can be highly toxic. Marxism - which ruined the lives of billions of people and killed hundreds of millions - was built as a project of a purely factual view of the world as a reaction to the counterfactual nature of religion. It was a "fact" that religion was false and that the rich/capitalists were exploiting the poor, and this fact through its repetition became central in the minds of revolutionaries, leading them to destroy billions of lives in their fact-filled folly that missed larger, long tested wisdoms. Similarly, the scientific "fact" - widely believed at the time - of scientific racism - justified awful events and tens of millions of deaths.
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wisdom of what? your entire post is yeah he's bad but... and then there's no reason to accept the badness. which leads to people like me thinking that i actually understand what you don't want to say..
I detailed a bit of it above.
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Big heart? Like he's showing with the kids in cages? Like he's showing with Muslims? LMAO.
Yes. A nation exists by its laws and if laws are broken there must be bad consequences. That is neither fair nor compassionate, but is necessary to control chaos and the alternative is worse. It's called game theory and a poker forum should understand it. Which is why Obama put children in cages too en masse.
Here's a bit of game theory for you: the reason the children come unaccompanied in the first place,
80% of the girls getting raped on the way, some as a form of payment (nice parents by the way), is because of soft policing of laws.
A nation must also exclude people who fail to share its liberal, nonviolent philosophies. The importation of Islam, for example, has led to the left wing French president recently talking about the
major problem of Muslims wanting to seccede from France since many Muslims don't share its values (Sharia law, widely loved, is not compatible with Western legal values) and have not integrated. And doesn't even want to block all Muslims, just those from countries where there is inadequate vetting and mainstream extreme ideologies. I consider the exclusion of political religious movements with a long and current history of violence and anti-women ideologies and violently anti-gay philosophies to be a basic function of a president. The question is, why don't you?
Last edited by ToothSayer; 04-29-2019 at 09:40 AM.