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08-13-2024 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
canada? lol. and even that says they "may be invited" to share..
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08-13-2024 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i'm an average joe actually living in the country we are talking about. i notice literally nothing disastrous about paying for/potentially paying more for climate policies. what i do see is the lack of regulation starting to make it unaffordable to insure your home in florida because of the effects of climate change. it doesn't seem like i'm the one living in an alternate reality.
Lol

Americans’ reported willingness to pay a carbon fee reveals the complicated politics of carbon pricing. Less than half of Americans would pay even $1 per month, but the average willingness to pay across the entire adult population is about $36 per month, up from $31 last year. The average is driven by the quarter of respondents who are willing to pay $100 or more per month. Still, Americans’ willingness to pay for climate policy is far below the US EPA’s recent announcement that the costs of climate change have quadrupled, based on EPIC’s Climate Impact Lab.” – Michael Greenstone, director of EPIC and the Milton Friedman Distinguished Service Professor in Economics at the University of Chicago.

https://epic.uchicago.edu/area-of-fo...limate-change/

Keep denying that people don't want to pay more for "the climate". Yes on paper majorities are in favour of emission reduction and whatnot. When you ask them to pay for it, lol.
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08-13-2024 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
canada? lol. and even that says they "may be invited" to share..
you are bad at reading, and just listening to people have experience in that actual matter at hand. if it doesn't fit your narrative, then it must be a lie.
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08-13-2024 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
you are bad at reading, and just listening to people have experience in that actual matter at hand. if it doesn't fit your narrative, then it must be a lie.
this is a president trump thread. of america. talking about the MAGA policies. of america. and you're babbling about some random one off court memo inviting people to use whatever pronouns they identify as from Ontario as evidence that people are punished for pronouns.

no one is being punished for mistakenly misgendering someone. it just isn't a real thing that exists. it's all made up in your head.
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08-13-2024 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
this is a president trump thread. of america. talking about the MAGA policies. of america. and you're babbling about some random one off court memo inviting people to use whatever pronouns they identify as from Ontario as evidence that people are punished for pronouns.

no one is being punished for mistakenly misgendering someone. it just isn't a real thing that exists. it's all made up in your head.
California is in the USA

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teacher-r...192436328.html

California school district has settled a lawsuit with a teacher who says she was fired over her religious beliefs after she refused to use students’ preferred pronouns, attorneys say.

The Jurupa Unified School District in Riverside County agreed to pay $360,000 to Jessica Tapia, her attorneys at Advocates for Faith & Freedom said in a May 14 news release.

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If you guys, say, stopped violating the most basic elements of the American constitution to push your horrific ideology we might stop talking about "pronouns"
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08-13-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
California is in the USA

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teacher-r...192436328.html

California school district has settled a lawsuit with a teacher who says she was fired over her religious beliefs after she refused to use students’ preferred pronouns, attorneys say.

The Jurupa Unified School District in Riverside County agreed to pay $360,000 to Jessica Tapia, her attorneys at Advocates for Faith & Freedom said in a May 14 news release.

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If you guys, say, stopped violating the most basic elements of the American constitution to push your horrific ideology we might stop talking about "pronouns"
there's nothing "mistakenly" about what that woman did. she intentionally discriminated against the kid because she's a bigot. and she received a nuisance settlement to gtfo.

i dont know how you can see it as the kid pushing their "horrific ideology" and not the teacher being the one pushing the "horrific ideology" other than you prefer her ideology. you are free to practice your insane invisible sky man thing that hates people different than your ideal in your own home, you shouldn't be preaching it at me in public.
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08-13-2024 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
no one is being punished for mistakenly misgendering someone. it just isn't a real thing that exists. it's all made up in your head.
who is talking about being punished? i said pronouns are a waste of time and you said it's made it all up, and then didn't believe me when i posted reasoning why it's a waste of time.


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even the pronoun stuff you are talking about is just made up in your own head so that maga's can justify their hate.
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Originally Posted by housenuts
no. it's a waste of time. there was a period of time a few years ago when going to court you had to identify yourself in front of the judge, 'good morning your honour, counsel for the defendant, last name, first initial, i identity as he/him.

you would get scorned by the judge if you didn't provide your gender identity. was ridiculous. thankfully they realized it was ridiculous and got rid of it.
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sure. that definitely happened. lol.
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08-13-2024 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
there's nothing "mistakenly" about what that woman did. she intentionally discriminated against the kid because she's a bigot. and she received a nuisance settlement to gtfo.

i dont know how you can see it as the kid pushing their "horrific ideology" and not the teacher being the one pushing the "horrific ideology" other than you prefer her ideology. you are free to practice your insane invisible sky man thing that hates people different than your ideal in your own home, you shouldn't be preaching it at me in public.
Wait so you actually agree with violating the constitution, 1a in particular, to push for your preferred ideology???

So it's true that you guys despise the constitution
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08-13-2024 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
there's nothing "mistakenly" about what that woman did. she intentionally discriminated against the kid because she's a bigot. and she received a nuisance settlement to gtfo.

i dont know how you can see it as the kid pushing their "horrific ideology" and not the teacher being the one pushing the "horrific ideology" other than you prefer her ideology. you are free to practice your insane invisible sky man thing that hates people different than your ideal in your own home, you shouldn't be preaching it at me in public.
i hope you think this part is at least ridiculous.

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school policy to not inform parents’ students of their gender identities
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08-13-2024 , 02:31 PM
Trump isn't a *centrist*, but he's also not an ideological extremist. There are many Congresspeople (and many others who are too far right to win a seat in today's climate) who are comfortably to the right of Trump.

This will sound like a weird thing to say about somebody who has a good chance of being a two-time POTUS, but Donald Trump is ... not really political. He doesn't have a significant political agenda other than his own NPD-style search for evermore power and attention. He's been hanging around all these staffers and other suckup remora from the political sphere, so some of what they say will stick on to Donald for a while, but the effect is minimal, as he has Swiss cheese holes in his brain and has forgotten 98% of what they said by the time he speaks to a new person.

Anybody who posts even semi-regularly on this subforum is more concerned with political matters than Donald Trump.
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08-13-2024 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
i hope you think this part is at least ridiculous.
We're just back to the weird label. If you guys think these are major national issues, keep talking about them. But republicans are already on the worst 30 year popular vote run in history. Normal people are fine without the federal government getting involved with this and non college white extremists are a shrinking demo.
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08-13-2024 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
Trump isn't a *centrist*, but he's also not an ideological extremist. There are many Congresspeople (and many others who are too far right to win a seat in today's climate) who are comfortably to the right of Trump.

Anybody who posts even semi-regularly on this subforum is more concerned with political matters than Donald Trump.
yes.

abortions for example. trump is pro abortion. he doesn't give af. i'm guessing he's paid for a abortions for a few of his bangs. but the problem is he needs to cater to his base so he needs to take a more anti stance that people like. dude doesn't have a religious bone in his body, although he did say yesterday on X that after his near death experience, he feels more belief in a higher power. probably made up though to cater to sky person listeners.
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08-13-2024 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
We're just back to the weird label. If you guys think these are major national issues, keep talking about them. But republicans are already on the worst 30 year popular vote run in history. Normal people are fine without the federal government getting involved with this and non college white extremists are a shrinking demo.
i agree it's weird for school's to withhold info from parents.
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08-13-2024 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Wait so you actually agree with violating the constitution, 1a in particular, to push for your preferred ideology???

So it's true that you guys despise the constitution
i dont think referring to someone as a gender they identify is preventing you from practicing your religion. the religious zealots would have a lot better arguments if they admitted that they just pick and choose which things are religious beliefs that they MUST practice out of their storybook on a whim.

i absolutely believe she should be able to be whatever version of bigot she wants to be on her own. but that stops when it infringes on the rights of others. hers dont supersede.
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08-13-2024 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
California is in the USA

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teacher-r...192436328.html

California school district has settled a lawsuit with a teacher who says she was fired over her religious beliefs after she refused to use students’ preferred pronouns, attorneys say.
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“The District claimed ... Ms. Tapia’s social media posts were racist, offensive, disrespectful, and mocking towards individuals based upon their sexual orientation,” the lawsuit says.

The district went on to accuse Tapia of “proselytizing during P.E. class,” as well as refusing to call students by their preferred pronouns, the suit says.

In late September 2022, the lawsuit says Tapia received a “Notice of Unprofessional Conduct,” wherein the district listed directives she must follow in order to keep her job. Along with using students’ preferred pronouns, this included allowing students to use the bathroom that matches with their gender identity and not discussing the Bible with her students, according to the lawsuit.
Shockingly, her misconduct runs far deeper than "refusing to use students' preferred pronouns". I cannot believe Luciom would deceive us so!

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Originally Posted by Luciom
Wait so you actually agree with violating the constitution, 1a in particular, to push for your preferred ideology???

So it's true that you guys despise the constitution
Not speaking on behalf of these libs; they will surely disagree with what I'm about to say, but I personally do not give much of a **** about the Constitution. It's a fairly morally upstanding document relative to its time, but that's as far as I care about it. Both conservatives and liberals irrationally worship this thing.
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08-13-2024 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
We're just back to the weird label. If you guys think these are major national issues, keep talking about them. But republicans are already on the worst 30 year popular vote run in history. Normal people are fine without the federal government getting involved with this and non college white extremists are a shrinking demo.
they'd have a much better chance with the trans sports angle for drumming up normie support. although as we've seen recently they can't help themselves from going overboard and transvestigating any woman they personally don't find attractive which just brings them back to being extremely weird.
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08-13-2024 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Lol

Americans’ reported willingness to pay a carbon fee reveals the complicated politics of carbon pricing. Less than half of Americans would pay even $1 per month, but the average willingness to pay across the entire adult population is about $36 per month, up from $31 last year. The average is driven by the quarter of respondents who are willing to pay $100 or more per month. Still, Americans’ willingness to pay for climate policy is far below the US EPA’s recent announcement that the costs of climate change have quadrupled, based on EPIC’s Climate Impact Lab.” – Michael Greenstone, director of EPIC and the Milton Friedman Distinguished Service Professor in Economics at the University of Chicago.

https://epic.uchicago.edu/area-of-fo...limate-change/

Keep denying that people don't want to pay more for "the climate". Yes on paper majorities are in favour of emission reduction and whatnot. When you ask them to pay for it, lol.
People don’t want to pay for the military either but they happy to have it and knows they have to pay for it.
Come to think of it , what people loves to pay for ?
Medicare ?
Education?
Gaz ?
Houses ?
People just want everything free and let others pay for it…
The Internet is good example of that , click click click .

So your arguments doesn’t add up to much of anything .
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08-13-2024 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
Not speaking on behalf of these libs; they will surely disagree with what I'm about to say, but I personally do not give much of a **** about the Constitution. It's a fairly morally upstanding document relative to its time, but that's as far as I care about it. Both conservatives and liberals irrationally worship this thing.
meh. i mean, i care about it in the fact that it's a document of historical significance and has some decent ideals. but it was written by and for white slave owners that just happened to be born white and wealthy enough to have a say. the founding fathers weren't any smarter than any other set of property owning white dudes. it should probably be rewritten every 50 years or so rather than doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the old white guys would have thought about people owning rocket launchers.
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08-13-2024 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
i agree it's weird for school's to withhold info from parents.
Right. The least educated/literate among us always have the strongest opinions on schools.
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08-13-2024 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i dont think referring to someone as a gender they identify is preventing you from practicing your religion. the religious zealots would have a lot better arguments if they admitted that they just pick and choose which things are religious beliefs that they MUST practice out of their storybook on a whim.

i absolutely believe she should be able to be whatever version of bigot she wants to be on her own. but that stops when it infringes on the rights of others. hers dont supersede.

It's forcing you to subscribe to a moral theory that is against your theology.

And there absolutely is no legal right to be called "the right pronouns", so which would the infringement be?

Unless you want to enshrine a right to decide which pronouns are to be used which.. is exactly what you guys are trying to attempt and why it's outrageous to deny this is happening, which you did previously by saying the debate on pronouns is nonsense.

Lol at rights being infringed if I don't agree with gender theory
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08-13-2024 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
there's nothing "mistakenly" about what that woman did. she intentionally discriminated against the kid because she's a bigot. and she received a nuisance settlement to gtfo.

i dont know how you can see it as the kid pushing their "horrific ideology" and not the teacher being the one pushing the "horrific ideology" other than you prefer her ideology. you are free to practice your insane invisible sky man thing that hates people different than your ideal in your own home, you shouldn't be preaching it at me in public.
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Originally Posted by housenuts
i hope you think this part is at least ridiculous.
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school policy to not inform parents’ students of their gender identities
That's actually a quite decent and humane policy.

Many parents are abusive, and issues of gender and sexuality are big targets for them. Countless gay and trans kids have had to hide their true selves from their parents just to maintain a little bit of peace at home. SO MANY trans kids' lives are absolute hell BECAUSE OF their insane parents. I know that many conservatives think "my home is my castle and my word is law inside of it!", but those little people that live there too aren't actually their slaves.

Personally, I strongly think we should greatly weaken the "family unit" as such and stop allowing parents to act as dictators of their breed for 18 years; and kids should be largely socialized in public daycares and schools starting from toddlerhood, but I know we ain't ready for that talk.

Last edited by Karl_TheOG_Marx; 08-13-2024 at 02:54 PM.
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08-13-2024 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
meh. i mean, i care about it in the fact that it's a document of historical significance and has some decent ideals. but it was written by and for white slave owners that just happened to be born white and wealthy enough to have a say. the founding fathers weren't any smarter than any other set of property owning white dudes. it should probably be rewritten every 50 years or so rather than doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the old white guys would have thought about people owning rocket launchers.
Agreed. That's well-said, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
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08-13-2024 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Rick you don't "add to the deficit", you add to debt (the ever growing pile), and the way you do is by running deficits (ie by spending more than the revenues are in a given year).

As i explained claiming a "LARGE PART" of the increase in debt was caused by trump tax cuts is *objectively false*. A big lie.

Those cuts generated approx 400 billions of deficit in the 3 years of Trump presidency they were operative, per CBO estimates.

Debt total pil grew from approx 19 trillions to approx 28 trillions during Trump presidency. Approx 2.5 trillions of those 9 trillions of increase were the structural deficit (600 bln per year) inherited from the Obama administration.

400 bln were caused by Trump tax cuts.

The rest is the massive lack of revenue in 2020 + the trillions passed in a bipartisan way by congress to deal with lockdowns aftermaths.

In fact, up to march 2020, the debt grew exactly the same as it did during the last years of the Obama administration, in the high single digit hundreds of billions.


Trump tax cut weren't as big as you want to claim. Objectively.
False !
Less then half the deficit trump made was in 2020 covid …
Already post it to counter havam lies previously.
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08-13-2024 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
meh. i mean, i care about it in the fact that it's a document of historical significance and has some decent ideals. but it was written by and for white slave owners that just happened to be born white and wealthy enough to have a say. the founding fathers weren't any smarter than any other set of property owning white dudes. it should probably be rewritten every 50 years or so rather than doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the old white guys would have thought about people owning rocket launchers.
You can rewrite it any time you have the sufficient majority to do so, unless you think it would be proper to rewrite it in full every 50 years even with a simple majority, which would be an unmitigated disaster and a recipe for utter failure, you really can't be a 50%+1 away from totalitarianism. Not even banana republics in s america allow a simple majority full rewriting usually
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08-13-2024 , 02:51 PM
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meh. i mean, i care about it in the fact that it's a document of historical significance and has some decent ideals. but it was written by and for white slave owners that just happened to be born white and wealthy enough to have a say. the founding fathers weren't any smarter than any other set of property owning white dudes. it should probably be rewritten every 50 years or so rather than doing mental gymnastics to pretend that the old white guys would have thought about people owning rocket launchers.
The main thing is people like Trump should not arbitrarily be changing things like the role of the VP in counting electoral votes on the fly based on what he needs at any given moment. That's not pretending like the constitution is perfect.
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