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08-16-2019 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I struggle with Tom's point and the general arguments against culture change
You struggle with a lot of ****, but that won't stop you from once again defending white supremacy. Which is what you're doing here, that's what Tom was talking about, do you people even vaguely follow the news?
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08-16-2019 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu
The main things I took from Tomdermaine’s posts are that he has an incredibly narrow understanding of culture (narrow to the point of misunderstanding, I’d say) and an uncharitable prejudice against Trump supporters. What did you pick up on?
lol

but since i got you on the line

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One of the features of American culture that many might find worth defending, is the degree to which we welcome and tolerate cultural diversity as an input to our melting pot.
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No, he cares about making sure that fewer people come from 'shithole' countries, so by eliminating the lottery and increasing the merit bases he's able to slant immigration towards the 'good' countries where people are more likely to have a degree or skill, and away from the 'bad' ones where they're just lucky to be alive.
That's a good thing, not a bad thing or a racist thing.
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Originally Posted by patteeu
Is that what racism means to you? Because that's not racism. What on Earth is wrong with wanting to preserve or improve a culture? Culture is something that people create, not something people are (in contrast to skin color/race). Some cultures are good and some are bad (all of them probably have some good and some bad). We should want to have a good culture and we should want to keep it good or make it better, not degrade it.
why do you hate american culture?
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08-16-2019 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Yup, parallels. One hates (people of color) with no good reason and the other hates (racism) with good reason.
I've seen more than a fair share of hate for dumbs, poors, and people who don't talk like you want them to, which is basically old white peoples issue with blacks and immigrants.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Nah, for real, you would actually fail a tenth-grade history exam.
I was only going for level 2 (white supremacy), but you handed me level 3

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Originally Posted by 6ix
wat are you talking about some of my best friends are american whites
If its a self aware effort then kudos, mission accomplished. I would actually be impressed.
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08-16-2019 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
lol

but since i got you on the line



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why do you hate american culture?
I'm pro American, but I try not to be too obnoxious about it when I'm around so many skeptics.
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08-16-2019 , 11:34 PM
Anyhow, the point was,

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You people have done an absolutely fabulous job of missing tomdemaine's point.
all the good things in American culture are mashups of diverse cultural influences. Musicologically speaking, the American musics (jazz, rock&roll, r&b, etc) are mashups of American roots musics, which are mashups of the aforementioned diverse cultural influences. Even blues with its afrocentricity has Native American and European cultural influences. Likewise, African influence is present in everything, not just the well-known examples. That's why I said this:

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The banjo is an African instrument.
If people say they want to preserve culture, but, the said preservation doesn't mean letting everybody come in and share their cool stuff, then I think we can figure out what's going down. It's not an impenetrable riddle.
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08-16-2019 , 11:35 PM
"Where're you from, son? Antarctica? And you say you fronted a band with an all-penguin rhythm section? Well come on in, let's have a listen!"
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08-16-2019 , 11:47 PM
Also, the Scottish invented fried chicken.
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08-17-2019 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
You struggle with a lot of ****
Indeed I do. it's tough when yo're trying to deal with real politics rather than just making stuff up to try to be mean on the internet.

I appreciate it's so much simpler for you but I will continue with the struggle.
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08-17-2019 , 02:59 AM
Guys, I just got terrible news. We let 500 starving Hondurans into the country and as a result Katy Perry has cancelled her latest tour. We all knew the culture might have to suffer from this rampant immigration but no one could have foreseen this. Was it worth it?
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08-17-2019 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu
Is that what racism means to you? Because that's not racism. What on Earth is wrong with wanting to preserve or improve a culture? Culture is something that people create, not something people are (in contrast to skin color/race). Some cultures are good and some are bad (all of them probably have some good and some bad). We should want to have a good culture and we should want to keep it good or make it better, not degrade it.
What is a bad culture?
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08-17-2019 , 11:10 AM
An example of American culture: basketball.

Yes, it was invented in Canada, but it has grown stylistically and become something uniquely American because of how Americans all over the country refined it.

One can both appreciate the vile way in which ethnocentric slugs appropriate “culture”, and critique the tawdry aspects of American culture, while recognizing that America has been a significant force in promoting positive culture as well.
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08-17-2019 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Elvis is nothing without stealing from black people.
And Shakespeare stole from everyone.

Wtf is your point?
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08-17-2019 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu
One of the features of American culture that many might find worth defending, is the degree to which we welcome and tolerate cultural diversity as an input to our melting pot.
This is an astute point.

The vast majority of the world is FAR more ethnocentric than America.
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08-17-2019 , 11:39 AM
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Israel was very respectful & nice to Rep. Rashida Tlaib, allowing her permission to visit her “grandmother.”
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The only real winner here is Tlaib’s grandmother. She doesn’t have to see her now!
Is he 8 trying to make a kindergartener cry? "your mommy doesn't love you she told me so..."

Or is it more sinister, like the notion that we all have family that we care for, our common humanity, we love our family, we all get old and die, we all want to spend time with a 90 year old granny and she wants to see her granddaughter of whom she is proud...but these disgusting rats...they aren't like us, are they? Is he saying that? idk I think I will go with he is just an weird immature creep.

And the "grandmother" in quotes. So called "grandmother". wtf.

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08-17-2019 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by WaitingForMPJ
This is an astute point.

The vast majority of the world is FAR more ethnocentric than America.
It is a good point and it's why would could use 30 million+ non-European immigrants spread around the more ethnocentric parts of the US immediately.
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08-17-2019 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What is a bad culture?
Are you a relativist, Wookie?
Also I'd nominate the one being discussed fwiw.

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08-17-2019 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Indeed I do. it's tough when yo're trying to deal with real politics rather than just making stuff up to try to be mean on the internet.

I appreciate it's so much simpler for you but I will continue with the struggle.
I mean, yeah, the struggle here was you trying to pretend Tom's mockery of white supremacist rhetoric meant that the WHITE SUPREMACISTS were the people defending the glorious fusion of Tex-Mex cuisine and Jazz and etc. etc. that forms modern American culture against Tom.

That is a legitimately difficult reach but you did it with ease and you're smug about how clever it was, you really showed those ****ing race traitor libs.
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08-17-2019 , 11:58 AM
Maybe if Tom wasn’t so maladroit in making his “point” there wouldn’t have been such widespread mockery.
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08-17-2019 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WaitingForMPJ
This is an astute point.

The vast majority of the world is FAR more ethnocentric than America.
Patteeu is trolling there. He also values "assimalability," a word he made up as code, when choosing immigrants, so it's not like he actually wants to have a melting pot of diverse cultures, just the ones not too different from his own, aka, white ones.
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08-17-2019 , 12:07 PM
I’m not exactly pining for cultural influence from Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

There are worse cultures.
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08-17-2019 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu
The how is that we reorient our immigration system to focus on merit, including assimilability. The what doesn't matter so much, but if you want some examples: commitment to individual liberty and federalism, respect for the rule of law, and a common language.
Ill just leave this here.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013...ion-americans/
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08-17-2019 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
There's reports trump wants to buy Greenland. I had to read a fair bit to check if it was for him personally or for the USA. It is for the usa although it's not for sale.

I suppose even trump & co aren't batty enough to take it by force - usa vs greenland is a war even the usa might be able to win. It's a sort of joke but Greenland and other large ice covered areas are going to be worth an absolute fortune.
Yeah, think of how much land will be viable once all the ice melts
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08-17-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox

Two main points of mine, since you ask: (1) We should not be inhumane. The family separations and mistreatment on the borders piss me off.
How much does it piss you off? Safe to assume you wont vote for Trump next yesr because of it?
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08-17-2019 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by WaitingForMPJ
I’m not exactly pining for cultural influence from Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

There are worse cultures.
Is your life worse because someone else chooses to wear a hijab?
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08-17-2019 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Is your life worse because someone else chooses to wear a hijab?
Depends on who is wearing it.
Actually my life was made worse once because my racist boss would try to get me to have my muslim employees not wear hijabs.

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