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04-06-2023 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
But I do think the people who are instinctively skeptical of the whole legal institution are on the right track.
Then those people should leave the country immediately. Why would anyone stay in a place where they don't trust the legal system to treat them fairly, especially since there are many countries to choose from where they could live? Makes zero sense to stay in the US if that's what they genuinely think.
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04-06-2023 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I think it should be allowed and would be reasonable in certain cases for one party or the other want to show how many people commit this crime and how often it is prosecuted.

My first thought where it could be applied was for gwyneth paltrow because she is being sued for a ski wreck and her attorney should be able to say there are x number of ski accidents a year that result in broken ribs and only 0.05% of them are prosecuted. However, this argument could be made by a lot of celebrities and politicians who get targeted for some nonsense.
You of course can think whatever you want about what the rules of evidence should be. I am commenting on what a judge would allow under the current rules in the real world.
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04-06-2023 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Hard to believe they dont. They made be told to ignore it or not to take it into account which is one of the sililer deceptions judges like to play on themselves.
Are you basing this opinion on intuition?
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04-06-2023 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf
Then those people should leave the country immediately. Why would anyone stay in a place where they don't trust the legal system to treat them fairly, especially since there are many countries to choose from where they could live? Makes zero sense to stay in the US if that's what they genuinely think.
Unless you can't leave or believe you should stay to do whatever your part is in improving things.
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04-06-2023 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf
Then those people should leave the country immediately. Why would anyone stay in a place where they don't trust the legal system to treat them fairly, especially since there are many countries to choose from where they could live? Makes zero sense to stay in the US if that's what they genuinely think.
This makes sense if you don't think about it. Back to your old ways, I see.
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04-06-2023 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf
Then those people should leave the country immediately. Why would anyone stay in a place where they don't trust the legal system to treat them fairly, especially since there are many countries to choose from where they could live? Makes zero sense to stay in the US if that's what they genuinely think.
To state the obvious, people don't decide where to live based solely on whether they trust the legal system to treat them fairly.
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04-06-2023 , 04:00 PM
Lock him up!

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04-06-2023 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iwasbanned
Lock him up!

Ahhhh because the crooked on the meme in actually crooked
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04-06-2023 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by iwasbanned
Lock him up!

Unless he is guilty of treason. Then he should be executed, not locked up.
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04-06-2023 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf
Then those people should leave the country immediately. Why would anyone stay in a place where they don't trust the legal system to treat them fairly, especially since there are many countries to choose from where they could live? Makes zero sense to stay in the US if that's what they genuinely think.
Where do you think they should go, and where will they be accepted?

Maybe 15 years ago I looked into moving to Canada or the UK. I didn't qualify as a legal immigrant. It's really not something easy to do for regular people without special skills other countries are looking for.
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04-06-2023 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcherOfLoaf
Unless he is guilty of treason. Then he should be executed, not locked up.
Statements like these are how you end up with the secret service at your door
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04-06-2023 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Statements like these are how you end up with the secret service at your door
Huh? Execution is the standard punishment for treason, imposed by a court.
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04-06-2023 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Huh? Execution is the standard punishment for treason, imposed by a court.
He hasn't been charged with treason. So he can't be found guilty of treason. End of story.

The poster who said he should be executed is consumed with Trump hatred, so anything he says on the subject is likely to be irrational.
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04-06-2023 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
He hasn't been charged with treason yet.
FYP.

FWIW, treason is so narrowly defined in the constitution that a charge for something like conspiracy to commit espionage would be much more likely (or less unlikely). Not sure if Julius and Ethel Rosenberg really cared with one it was though.
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04-06-2023 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Huh? Execution is the standard punishment for treason, imposed by a court.
Trump used to be the US president. The secret service is tasked with protecting him. They are tasked with investigating ANY and ALL forms of threats and suggestive statements toward those that they protect. If you make a radical statement like the one in question, it would be a likely outcome that the secret service would investigate as a part of their diligence.

You have over 16k posts on this site. You might need to get outside more or something because this concept I have explained above should be obvious to understand.
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04-07-2023 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
He hasn't been charged with treason. So he can't be found guilty of treason. End of story.

The poster who said he should be executed is consumed with Trump hatred, so anything he says on the subject is likely to be irrational.
The poster quoted said "unless he is guilty of treason". It is hardly radical to say those found guilty of treason should face the standard death penalty.

He certainly is not charged with treason for paying off porn stars, but I think he should be charged with treason for attempting to influence the Georgia election and especially for conspiring to prevent the electoral college from their constitutional duties on January 6.

I think he should be convincted of treason, and I would be thrilled to see him executed, although I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen.

I would be fine with him being under house arrest for the rest of his life with no way to communicate with the outside world, which would likely be more painful for him anyway.
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04-07-2023 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
The poster quoted said "unless he is guilty of treason". It is hardly radical to say those found guilty of treason should face the standard death penalty.

He certainly is not charged with treason for paying off porn stars, but I think he should be charged with treason for attempting to influence the Georgia election and especially for conspiring to prevent the electoral college from their constitutional duties on January 6.

I think he should be convincted of treason, and I would be thrilled to see him executed, although I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen.

I would be fine with him being under house arrest for the rest of his life with no way to communicate with the outside world, which would likely be more painful for him anyway.
you're pretty sick, chubbs
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04-07-2023 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
FYP.

FWIW, treason is so narrowly defined in the constitution that a charge for something like conspiracy to commit espionage would be much more likely (or less unlikely). Not sure if Julius and Ethel Rosenberg really cared with one it was though.
You don't seriously think Trump is going to be charged with treason or espionage do you?. On what grounds? That he questioned the results of the election. Or that he told protestors to peacefully march on the capitol.

Mind you I wouldn't put it past democrats to try though. They are so scared of Trump and desperate to stop him running again that anything is possible.
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04-07-2023 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
You don't seriously think Trump is going to be charged with treason or espionage do you?. On what grounds? That he questioned the results of the election. Or that he told protestors to peacefully march on the capitol.

Mind you I wouldn't put it past democrats to try though. They are so scared of Trump and desperate to stop him running again that anything is possible.
Funny I didn't hear him mention they should "peacefully" go to the Capitol. He was even told they had weapons and said he didn't care, because they wouldn't use the weapons on him.

Also, he didn't just question the results of the election, he clearly tried to change the vote counts, as recorded by the Georgia officials. Maybe you didn't hear about that, but it's kind of a big deal.

Btw, I doubt any democrats are that worried about him running again - he would likely be the easiest republican candidate to defeat in the general election.
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04-07-2023 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Funny I didn't hear him mention they should "peacefully" go to the Capitol. He was even told they had weapons and said he didn't care, because they wouldn't use the weapons on him.

Also, he didn't just question the results of the election, he clearly tried to change the vote counts, as recorded by the Georgia officials. Maybe you didn't hear about that, but it's kind of a big deal.

Btw, I doubt any democrats are that worried about him running again - he would likely be the easiest republican candidate to defeat in the general election.
LOL dude, if you want to be taken seriously at least make an effort to get the facts right. Just because you didn't hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen. OK. I suggest you go and find a transcript of the speech where you will find that is exactly what he said.
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04-07-2023 , 04:29 AM
Sometimes people argue for immigration because the USA was founded on immigration

They never seem to say the same about treason.
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04-07-2023 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
You don't seriously think Trump is going to be charged with treason or espionage do you?. On what grounds? That he questioned the results of the election. Or that he told protestors to peacefully march on the capitol.

Mind you I wouldn't put it past democrats to try though. They are so scared of Trump and desperate to stop him running again that anything is possible.
i personally would very much like to see trump run again.. he's an easy mark. i dont understand how anyone thinks he got MORE popular/likely to win over the last 4 years than less.
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04-07-2023 , 10:27 AM
I think I recall people wanting trump to run the first time because of similar reasoning

A catastrophe running in a two horse race is something we should always be pretty desperate to avoid imo
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04-07-2023 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i personally would very much like to see trump run again.. he's an easy mark. i dont understand how anyone thinks he got MORE popular/likely to win over the last 4 years than less.
This is a terrible way to think about U.S. politics imo. With almost no exceptions, a major party candidate in a U.S. presidential race is drawing live in a general election.
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04-07-2023 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Mind you I wouldn't put it past democrats to try though. They are so scared of Trump and desperate to stop him running again that anything is possible.
That is a very bad read. Trump is by far the best-case scenario for Democrats in the general election. DeSantis would be a much more challenging opponent and would likely attract a lot of centrist and independent voters.
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