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11-16-2022 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Well if you look at their ratings when Trump is front and center and their ratings now. As well my Fox report was from Fox Sunday and was a Democratic politician being interviewed.
So basically you have no links to back your claim. Quite a shocking development. What about that!

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Originally Posted by lozen
I am sure you will continue to make imaginary $$$ betting those imaginary markets
Yeah, there is no way to wager on these elections. That whole industry is imaginary. Fake news!

All the best.
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11-16-2022 , 10:51 AM
Where's a good place to bet on this stuff
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11-16-2022 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't know who would be the best candidate for the Democrats in a general election, but if the Republican nominee is someone like DeSantis, Youngkin, or Haley, I don't think it is Biden.

I don't buy into the GOP notion that Biden needs help dressing himself. But there is no getting around the fact that he will be 82 years old in 2024. He is going to seem ancient if he is standing next to a candidate that is 25-35 years younger than him.

Biden would be in a tough spot here even if he decided not to run. In that scenario, he still would have enormous influence over who the nominee was. He would be under a lot of pressure from Kamala's people to get behind her as the nominee, but I suspect that he knows in his gut that she would not be the best candidate to replace him.
I agree with all of the above, except that I don't believe that "Kamala's people" are a particularly large or influential group in the party any longer.
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11-16-2022 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Where's a good place to bet on this stuff
As always with this industry - "that depends."

Some countries have some restrictions on which sites you can wager. If you are in England than you are born with the ability to gamble so no issues there, but USA/Canada have some hoops to deal with at some sites.

The one that is most known is likely predictit, but the amount one can wager there is capped for each market, which is what helps many of those markets become extra inefficient due to derp funds. The forums there are at times entertaining as well, though perhaps it is all part of my imagination! A simple google search of where to bet on politics will give a ton of options.


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Originally Posted by bundy5
What's he going to do? If he stays as an independent and splits the conservative vote that will automatically mean a Biden win and seeing Biden win 2 terms is the last thing Trump will want.
Not sure why you think Trump would not do the above when he already showed he was willing to sabotage the Senate for the Republicans in 2020. He does not care. If he loses an ugly primary then good chance he will want to get his revenge on his latest opponent. With Biden he can still pretend the results were fake and he was the real winner to his derps, but that will be harder within the Republican primaries so he may go the extra mile to get some payback.
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11-16-2022 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't know who would be the best candidate for the Democrats in a general election, but if the Republican nominee is someone like DeSantis, Youngkin, or Haley, I don't think it is Biden.

I don't buy into the GOP notion that Biden needs help dressing himself. But there is no getting around the fact that he will be 82 years old in 2024. He is going to seem ancient if he is standing next to a candidate that is 25-35 years younger than him.

Biden would be in a tough spot here even if he decided not to run. In that scenario, he still would have enormous influence over who the nominee was. He would be under a lot of pressure from Kamala's people to get behind her as the nominee, but I suspect that he knows in his gut that she would not be the best candidate to replace him.


No way she is the nominee if Biden runs. I think the only folks Trump beats are Kamela or Pete. I know he will not but he would be better off with a new VP if Biden did run

If Biden does not run Gavin seems to be a front runner
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11-16-2022 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm guessing that DeSantis will wait to announce until early January. He will want the news cycle to focus for a while on the lack of enthusiasm for Trump as the candidate. Then he can announce that he is heeding the call of the GOP rank and file.
I still think there's a chance they've already cut a deal.
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11-16-2022 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
I feel like that is also the Dems' best bet. Biden may not be the most popular choice, but who else do the Dems even have?
The only one I think, of the current batch, who can beat Trump (if Biden is out) and give DeSantis a good run is Gavin.

that said I am not sure the Dem party would feel they could put, yet another straight white male, in to the top spot and the push for a more diverse candidate I think will be significant. And amongst outsiders it would be Michelle Obama or Oprah, who would best fit that bill and have a chance to win.
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11-16-2022 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't buy into the GOP notion that Biden needs help dressing himself. But there is no getting around the fact that he will be 82 years old in 2024.
We haven't seen him in public with his pants on backwards or shirt inside out so it is probably safe to assume he gets some assistance. Kidding, but in all seriousness there is a reason why biden is an underdog to be the dem candidate (according to sports books he is +140) and the only reason the bettors think his odds are that good is because they saw how well dems were able to hide biden last election cycle and how dems were able to get fetterman elected despite his major health issues.

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Originally Posted by wet work
I still think there's a chance they've already cut a deal.
What kind of deal are you talking about?
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11-16-2022 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
We haven't seen him in public with his pants on backwards or shirt inside out so it is probably safe to assume he gets some assistance. Kidding, but in all seriousness there is a reason why biden is an underdog to be the dem candidate (according to sports books he is +140) and the only reason the bettors think his odds are that good is because they saw how well dems were able to hide biden last election cycle and how dems were able to get fetterman elected despite his major health issues.
The reasons why Biden isn't an overwhelming favorite to be the nominee are obvious. His approval ratings are low and he would be 82 years old on the day he was inaugurated. Electing an 82-year old man to be president isn't ideal, even if that person is doing quite well cognitively. We don't have to choose between believing that Biden is a drooler and believing that Biden's age is completely irrelevant.
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11-16-2022 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
What kind of deal are you talking about?
I assume that he is speculating that DeSantis may have agreed to pardon Trump if he is elected, and in exchange, Trump may have agreed to enter the race (thereby luring in Biden) and then drop out after Biden announced he was running.

That seems very, very farfetched to me.
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11-16-2022 , 03:35 PM
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Trump wrongly thinks running again will shield him from DOJ

"Any documents I steal are mine, because stealing them makes them mine."
I can't believe that a licensed attorney actually signed his name to this crap.
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11-16-2022 , 03:43 PM
I think there's a slice of the pie where trump is fully aware he's toast/not going to win again. The deal would essentially be let me fund raise freely in the meantime and I'll bow out and support you later on.

Haven't really been basing it around pardons since they wouldn't cover state stuff anyway. Also the odds we put a former Pres in jail are pretty much nil lol. Started thinking it when Rogan/Musk etc all started talking about desantis simultaneously a while back with no real pushback from their friends jr etc. I also think if trump was really feuding with him for real--the attacks would be much more nasty. Could be wrong obv guess we'll see
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11-16-2022 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
I think there's a slice of the pie where trump is fully aware he's toast/not going to win again. The deal would essentially be let me fund raise freely in the meantime and I'll bow out and support you later on.

Haven't really been basing it around pardons since they wouldn't cover state stuff anyway. Also the odds we put a former Pres in jail are pretty much nil lol. Started thinking it when Rogan/Musk etc all started talking about desantis simultaneously a while back with no real pushback from their friends jr etc. I also think if trump was really feuding with him for real--the attacks would be much more nasty. Could be wrong obv guess we'll see
Why would Trump think that he needed DeSantis's permission to fund raise?
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11-16-2022 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
The assertion that Trump is running for President solely to avoid prosecution seems highly dubious to me for several reasons. He almost certainly has multiple motivations for running for President. And as wet work said, the odds that we send a former president to jail are pretty low.
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11-16-2022 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Why would Trump think that he needed DeSantis's permission to fund raise?
He doesn't--but if he knows he's losing/has no shot bailing out now would pretty much cut out a couple years of easy money. Builds in some more time for him to let the base down easily/shift them over. Just ripping the band-aid off now could go off the rails for them. They can continue the fake feud to spin up engagement to a fever pitch then trump gets pinned in a close fight and desantis walks away with the belt
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11-16-2022 , 05:04 PM
Trump has zero loyalty to the GOP. The notion that DJT's decisionmaking is motivated at all by what the GOP wants or is in concert with GOP strategy fundamentally misunderstands the relationship between DJT and the GOP. They are allies of convenience, and the only thing DJT is interested in from the GOP is the presidency. I see no evidence that he cares one bit what happens to the party or its candidates after he's gone, except maybe to the extent that he has political aspirations for his kids.

Trump announced because he believes he has the support he needs to win the nomination, and if he doesn't, he gets another two years in the spotlight and as some have pointed out, a lot of fundraising to boot.
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11-16-2022 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
As always with this industry - "that depends."

Some countries have some restrictions on which sites you can wager. If you are in England than you are born with the ability to gamble so no issues there, but USA/Canada have some hoops to deal with at some sites.

The one that is most known is likely predictit, but the amount one can wager there is capped for each market, which is what helps many of those markets become extra inefficient due to derp funds. The forums there are at times entertaining as well, though perhaps it is all part of my imagination! A simple google search of where to bet on politics will give a ton of options.
Figured you had a head start could point me somewhere good. I'll be looking into this thanks
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11-16-2022 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't understand what you think is happening. Are you suggesting that Trump is entering a Republican primary that he doesn't believe he can win in order to lure Biden into a general election against DeSantis or some other Republican? Are you suggesting that Trump gives a **** a who is president if it isn't him?

Because I don't believe either one of those things. Not one bit.

If Trump loses the primary, he may not want to spend additional money (especially his own money) burning the house down. But I see no evidence that he cares at all about the Republican party.
No I think he is entering in it to win but he may not realise the unintended effects if this wasn't planned that even if loses the primaries it has a positive outcome for the GOP that it will basically convince Biden to run again. For the GOP they would be 100% behind this decision as they win either way like I said. The democrats need Biden to give it away and without Trump that was the only way I could see it happening
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11-16-2022 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
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Biden would be in a tough spot here even if he decided not to run. In that scenario, he still would have enormous influence over who the nominee was. He would be under a lot of pressure from Kamala's people to get behind her as the nominee, but I suspect that he knows in his gut that she would not be the best candidate to replace him.
Not sure he would even understand that Kamala wouldn't be the best candidate. I mean after all he has referred to her on numerous occasions as the president Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)
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11-16-2022 , 06:35 PM
Has he ever acted as if she was the president? You seem confused by a guy with a speech impediment who misspeaks every so often and you are completely unable to suss out a guy that continually lies about absolutely everything, even the path of a hurricane.
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11-16-2022 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Has he ever acted as if she was the president? You seem confused by a guy with a speech impediment who misspeaks every so often and you are completely unable to suss out a guy that continually lies about absolutely everything, even the path of a hurricane.
Who knows but I wouldn't be surprised if he has in addition to calling her as the president.
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11-16-2022 , 07:32 PM
Be sure to stay on the Hunter case and other ideas you are told to believe and share. That Biden is an invalid thing worked really well in 2020 in preparation to the first debate, so nice to see that it may be back! Relive the 2020 campaign I say. You may say "who knows," but you need to know your role.

All the best.
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11-16-2022 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
He doesn't--but if he knows he's losing/has no shot bailing out now would pretty much cut out a couple years of easy money. Builds in some more time for him to let the base down easily/shift them over. Just ripping the band-aid off now could go off the rails for them. They can continue the fake feud to spin up engagement to a fever pitch then trump gets pinned in a close fight and desantis walks away with the belt
The idea of a kayfabe scenario is amusing, but I don't think DeSantis would get enough out of the bargain to play along.
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11-16-2022 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Be sure to stay on the Hunter case and other ideas you are told to believe and share. That Biden is an invalid thing worked really well in 2020 in preparation to the first debate, so nice to see that it may be back! Relive the 2020 campaign I say. You may say "who knows," but you need to know your role.

All the best.
Well as long as you are happy with Biden being your nominee that is all that matters.
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11-16-2022 , 09:02 PM
That is a completely different topic which has nothing to do with my hoping you and your fellow derps follow the same game plan you did in 2020 and 2022. If you do your role then it will not really matter who the opponent is. Now, get back onto Hunter and how his father cannot complete a sentence - those are proven winning strategies that you should stick with, and I thank you in advance. I am genuinely pleased to see so many people on the other side that do not learn from their repeated past mistakes.

All the best.
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