Aggressive litigation seeking what relief, exactly?

Half the people in this country seem to think that litigation is some sort of glorified press conference or Twitter slap fight. That isn't the way it works. You need standing, you need a real legal claim, and you need to be seeking a remedy that the Court has the authority to order. As Trump's legal team showed, if you don't have those things, you get laughed out of court. You can't just bullshit your way through federal court.

Libel and slander. class action lawsuit for trying to undermine democracy. I'm sure if Trump was feeling the heat of legitimate litigation he would have backed off.

Correct. But with a majority in both Houses you might have seen some States willing to try to send faithless electors.

I maintain that it was only because so many steps were needed (more than one State, ...Faithless Electors, ... and a House and Senate to go along) that Brian Kemp and others did not try. They could not see the path to success even if they did their part and did not want that legacy of 'attempting a coup' to be around their neck unless they knew it had a real chance.

I disagree here entirely.

Aggressive litigation, imo would have gone no where fast. We've seen since the start of Trump's presidency how many years things get tied up in the system.

IMO that is one of the biggest failings Trump exposed in gov't and why some form of Constitutional Court needs to be created. You cannot have a POTUS able to tie stuff up in the courts for his entire term when the information sought might get him impeached or not re-elected. It is anti-accountability.

As I suspected, you don't understand litigation.

Biden doesn't have a claim for libel or slander. And even if he did, there would be no reason for a court to order expedited proceedings in a libel or slander case for money damages. In the exceedingly unlikely event that a libel or slander claim survived a motion to dismiss and the Court expedited the proceedings, Trump would have a strong argument that he should be entitled to expedited discovery to support his affirmative defense that his claims of fraud were true. (Truth is an absolute defense to claims of libel and slander.) Court authorization to conduct an expedited fishing expedition for evidence of fraud would be a huge win for Trump. In fact, that would be close to a dream scenario for Trump.

There is no such thing as a "class action for undermining democracy." You just made that up.

Also, the idea that Trump can be deterred through litigation is a fantasy. Like most real estate guys, Trump lives for litigation. He always has.

Does it bother anyone that Twitter shut down the New York post because of the Hunter Biden story they were running? Or that facebook shut down the Hunter Biden story?

Nope because it was lying BS purely for political gain - just like but her emails. If twitter and Facebook have algorithms that boost content, it becomes their responsibility not to let those algorithms actively spread disinformation.

That guy who owned the computer repair store is now on the run. He never received a laptop from Hunter. He got some ghost-copied hard drive that Rudy gave him. Probably a mix of real and fake stuff.

And no you don't put this out and let the American people decide. The American people assume if something is a major story it's probably true. Even the WSJ decided there were too many holes in the story.

So these big companies and the news establishment decide what is news and what is not? They control the information and decide elections?

To me this is deeply troubling.

lol 'the hunter biden story'

they spent over a year harvesting and fabricating that story and expect to be able to drop it like a boom on the eve of the election?

nawwww. been there, done that.

New York Post isn't a news establishment?
Oh, I guess fake news.

You don't even dispute the fact that the story is largely fictional and made up to influence an election, but you find it deeply troubling that media companies decide that they don't want to be used that way?

It wasn't troubling at all when Trump constantly called news media he didn't like fake news. That didn't trouble you Crash. Now all of a sudden you find it troubling.

No.

the 24 hour Cable news media and Social Media need to learn and adjust to tactics done solely to destabilize our democracy.


It is a big threat if parties know that they can make up even the most spurious and frivolous charge and simply file it in a court, knowing they will pull it later or it will get dismissed or they can get any 'media' company to run it, and then it becomes the talking point of an election cycle that will potentially sink a candidate with the 'Ooops, my bad, was that fake news' only coming out after the fact.

Just like the DOJ and FBI have policy on tightening what they will release to the public in the run up to the election, so to do the regular media and social media have to tighten up, similarly.

I'm going to assume that you think there are *some* circumstances in which twitter/facebook should censor content. (If you don't accept that, I encourage you to spend more time thinking and less time posting.) As such you should already be on board with big companies "deciding" what is and is not news, at least in certain cases. Dismissing the Hunter Biden decision on such implausibly general grounds is just a mistake.

Maybe you think the story had enough plausibility about it to make the decision to censor it illegitimate, but that's a very different kind of argument, and imo the evidence is pretty stacked against you there too.

Now if Trump reveals that he owns the copyright of the phrase “This claim of election fraud is disputed” and takes Twitter for billions of $$$ I will have to admit that he is a stable genius.

Yes the news establishment by definition decides what is news and what is not.

As far as Facebook and Twitter - if you already have an algorithm that maximizes engagement, it's your duty to identify malicious misinformation. It is absolutely not your duty to let political operatives abuse your platform in any way they see fit.

Are you also deeply troubled every time Trump talks about censoring the news media, and calls the free press the enemy of the people?

Trump retweets call to jail Georgia governor and secretary of state

...President Trump on Tuesday retweeted Georgia attorney Lin Wood’s suggestion that the president will soon prosecute Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger — both Republicans — for refusing to overturn the results in their state....

There goes Kemp 2024

If conservatives have such great judgement--how come every other hero they pick ends up being a commie/RINO etc?

The Biden team handled it fine. Why wrestle with a pig when all that will happen is you both get dirty and the pig likes it.

Trump went 1-infinity in his lawsuits, with the one win being something totally trivial. Why should Biden bother with the clown show as it tours landscaping companies and loses over and over.

The heat of legitimate legislation as you talk about would have just been used as a way for Trump and his derps to say that Biden was trying to suppress the truth. This way Trump got to lose over and over and over and over. May as well sit back and enjoy the show, since Trump and his derps (like that Little Wood guy) are the best chance for the Democrats to win both senate races that are coming up. Let Trump and his derps do their special losing thing one last time!

The news is supposed to report the news not cover it up. This new age with social media and left right bipartisan news is very dangerous. This time it worked in favor of the "right side" but things change and there is no guarantee it always will.


Not only but the optics are terrible and fits right in with conspiracy theory nuts.

Im with JC. not really sure why they are censoring the Hunter Biden stuff. hes def the one in those videos smoking crack and getting foot jobs.

Yes and once upon the time the News acted upon much stricter guidelines re vetting big stories and verifying sources.

In todays age with so many New Media and Social media all competing for eyeballs the standards are dropping to less than zero. Stories are created out of bogus or fake info, leaked to allow damage to be done and retracted or left to die immediate after the election.

Media has got to be smarter and not be manipulated that. When a story is pure BS, put out last minute with a clear intention, they must not propagate it.

Black Americans aren't real Americans, or real Southerners, and their religion is not real Christianity to any of these racists

Fabricated disinformation whose sole purpose is to sway an election is not news any more than calling the NY Times saying you've got bombshell evidence that the earth is flat. It's not the press's duty to report lies.

You know what's actually deeply disturbing? This:

I wish I was in a sex tape with Hunter Biden #goals

Even the Wall St. Journal Op-Ed section figured out the obvious. Rudy Guiliani has been talking for months how he's in Ukraine looking for dirt on Biden and this was from a hack mixed in with incriminating emails that were fabricated. I mean even Rudy realized nobody would believe it with the actual chain of custody story so they had to mske up the computer store bit. Seems like it's the media's job to vet sources and stories and most did it properly with respect to this one.