I mean I def. think the potential is there for some isolated groups/or individuals to do some dumb stuff. But I kinda have a hard time seeing a large/well-organized group get off the ground before getting smashed.

didn't they just try to get 200 people for the michigan thing and ended up with 13.....including 1 or 2 undercover fbi?

I told you exactly why. Whether you are a representative or not, common sense has to take precedence when your constituents want you to do something that is illegal, unethical, or that has potentially catastrophic consequences.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Remember more than 74million voters voted for Trump, a PLANELY VISIBLY lying, scamming, p.o.s, buffoon. There are many fully red districts in America. I'm actually surprised that there weren't more reps signing on to the suit. To me this implies that many of these Republican Reps that did not sign on actually going directly against what their constituent wants because they have some shred of respect for the truth and integrity.

I think that many times people are blaming politicians too much. I would put less blame on a politician doing X, if it is clearly X is what their constituent want. Even if X is from your pov completely unpalatable, again it is not necessarily the individual will of the rep, but the will of a bunch of his/her constituents. The rep is just that ugly disgusting face of your enemy, not the entire body and mind.

See what happens when americans don't have a common brown foreign enemy to hate? It begins to implode and collapse in on itself like a dying star

Like someone in the thread mentioned before. These reps signing on knowing that there won't be any catastrophic consequences, and they get brownie points from their constituent for doing it. It's like one of the easiest decisions a Rep ever need to make.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is it.

First it was the evil brown Mexicans and the Wall.

Midterms was the evil brown caravan invaders.

And this election had to be the fellow brown Americans as no other bogeyman could be whipped up.

Sadly, you may be right.

Sure, but do you believe that 74 million Americans support all of the buffoonery? I believe there are plenty that have chosen to vote Trump for a variety of reasons while not supporting every stupid thing he does.

Here's the thing - let's take a district where he has 80% of the vote - I think it's safe to say that the other 20% will be against the lawsuit. He needs more than 60% of his voters to be in favour of this nonsense. And that's an extreme example. He needs 70-80% of them in districts where he has 60-70% of the vote. And none of this takes into account all the people who didn't vote, who I don't think should be ignored.

But I'll let this go now if you want to have the final word. Obviously I'm speculating, and it's not a hill I'll be dying on because I really don't know for certain.

This is where the leadership I mentioned before comes into play. A significant number of Republican voters believe what they do at least in part, and in some cases entirely, because of what the Republican leaders and talking heads are telling them, over and over and over again. Obviously no one's switching to a racist mindset because of something Trump said; whatever outrageous thing people believe is usually going to be because they have some kind of belief in what's behind it - but the politicians pushing this **** deserve a good share of the blame.

And as for pushing the completely unpalatable when a rep doesn't believe in it, simply because it's the "will of a bunch of his/her constituents", that's a great example of what's wrong with your "I want my politicians to do exactly what I want" stance. They are elected to lead, and there are times when they need to do so in contradiction of what their constituents want. To take it to an extreme - should we all be good with it if a rep wants to go back to Jim Crow laws, or worse, as long as it's the "will of a bunch of his/her constituents"?

As a constituent myself, I am ****ing pissed all the time because my rep is supposedly doing "the right thing" "what's good for the country" instead of me. Of course in reality, it's mostly lies and he\she is doing what donors want most of the time.

In this rare case of the Texas suit, there aren't any big donors and it's the will of the constituents, I'd actually would like more Reps doing their job like this!

If all of his constituents wants jim crow and we don't know what the rep true position is. We all should be up in arms against the constituents. Not necessarily the Rep.

Trump routinely shitting on all the guys he decided to hire like "who the **** was dumb enough to bring this idiot into this job?" is one of the funniest things about his presidency

From a big "stop the steal" rally in DC today

What the hell is right side broadcasting

Its pretty obvious that China is the unifying boogieman du jour.

If you want to talk about a unifying foreign enemy, the most unifying and persistent one was white.

But I still disagree. It's not like Clinton had much in the way of brown foreign boogeymen to deal with. Since Eisenhower, Democrats have one the presidency now thrice with a guy who wasn't a Southern white guy. One was assassinated, the second faced what was up to then unprecedented baseless claims of illegitimacy, and the third (while from below the original Mason-Dixon, is definitely not Southern, and his running mate is a Black-Indian woman) now has conservatives in maximum overrrustle.

Conservatives' view of America is one with a racial hierarchy that has white guys on top. Southern white guys from the other party aren't seen as threatening that too much, but anyone else threatens to "destroy America." They will do anything to preserve it.

I figured this might be what it was all rooted in. You feel betrayed by past results; I get that. But that doesn't mean the system itself is the issue.

This is a really, really terrible take. Pushing racist laws is unacceptable, no matter what the rep's moronic constituents wanted.

If all your rep is going to do is parrot exactly what the majority in their district say they want on every issue, you might as well save the money and make all decisions by referendum. Which is also a terrible idea.

What's moronic are our fellow Americans, the constituents, not necessarily the Rep. Blaming the Rep does nothing. Like nothing lasting at all as along as his constituents wants racist laws.

I'm the one who mentioned that the reps knew they wouldn't have to face the catastrophic consequences of the Texas AG suit actually succeeding.

But your argument still makes no sense.

To take an extreme example, suppose that the residents of the 1st Congressional district in Oklahoma were in favor of detonating a nuclear weapon in Times Square. Your argument is that the we shouldn't be mad if the House rep for that district advocates detonating a nuclear weapon in Times Square. We should be mad only at the constituents. That's absurd. In the situation I describe, we obviously should be horrified by both the preferences of the constituents and the actions of the rep.

Too far... no land bridge.

The elites are weary of China and how wealth continues to shift to them and as such there is an effort underweight definitely to get average citizens to hate them but it just does not gain the type of momentum as 'Brown People Amongst Us!' does.

In the age of Trump in particular I struggle mightily with CheckCheckFold's position.

We have direct proof of how populist positions can quickly rally citizens to the most extreme positions in the moment with a growing base of Trump supporters now calling for actual civil war.

Imagine their Politicians taking to the floors of the various Houses and doing similar and the multiplier effect it could.

Passions can rise but also cool with second sombre thought. The Politicians with also a responsibility to the Constitution, the Country and the Laws of the Land are supposed to provide that buttress.

It is the required consideration of those other facts that is supposed to make the politician pause and look more broadly at the situation.


if their only obligation is to echo and amplify the Constituents voices with zero regard to the Constitution, Nation and Laws, that would be very dangerous, indeed.

This almost makes me with the antifa thread wasn't locked. The hilarious part is they couldn't have written it themselves.

That should really be in a spoiler, some of us are eating

America is the greatest country in the world. Only thing wrong with it is, it has too many Americans.

China gets wealthy because they produce stuff while 70% of Americans live pay check by pay check to enrich the top 1% because tax income for a better redistribution is the devil himself .
Praise the lord !

But yeah easier to blame the foreigners .

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-fraud/617354/

Four stabbed and one shot as protesters clash

https://abcnews.go.com/US/shot-compe...ry?id=74697209

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/12/u...nts-clash.html