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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think it is very possible to not hate democracy but realize that those who have decided which outcomes are constitutional are not actually deciding based on that fact, but on whatever silly reasoning will allow laws which benefit themselves and others who share their opinions.
Immigration isn't a complex gray area of the law with different interpretations leading to very different constitutional views.
Every country in the world decides which foreigners can enter and stay and for how long, how they can become citizens, etc.
And every democracy allows for the deportation of illegals.
The idea that a very basic claim such as "if I told you not to enter and I find you in against my consent I will kick you out" can be considered outrageous, authoritarian, and basically described as not acceptable is substantially the reason why at this point in time a part of the left isn't compatible with the democratic process anymore.
For immigration and deportation in particular it gets silly when you think about the fact that Clinton (one of the most popular democrat presidents) bragged about reducing illegal crossings and deporting illegals, Obama deported record number (at the time) of illegals, and that Biden is deporting a lot of people (albeit not all those he catches).
So today we have a portion of the political spectrum which decries as unconstitutional fascism something they own people always thought was proper and did, even in the present.
This is "Oceania is at war with Eastasia" kind of stuff.
When your political position is that the absolutely constitutional policy proposals of your adversaries are fascism while you run on a platform including very blatant constitutional violations (like a federal wealth tax or massive student loan relief by executive power) that is banana republic level of discourse