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05-25-2024 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Yeah, but what if the election was actually stolen? Is it still fascism to question it or investigate it?

By the way if you think Biden got 81 million legal votes I've got a bridge to sell you.
Stolen like the 2016 election was stolen from Hillary via the Russians(and Cambridge analytica)?

You believe that one was stolen too or do they only steal it for Biden and not Trump
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05-25-2024 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
I'll take that as surrender on the substantive point. And so will everyone else not invested in the scam. Got a little problem with Hillary and Barack do you ... to the point of "reality be damned?"
You can take it as whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence that the 2020 election was stolen.

Start with these 2 books. Page after page of evidence. Too much for me to summarise.

https://www.amazon.com/Debunked-Prof...s%2C127&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/Rigged-Media-...84513367&psc=1

No idea what you mean with the Hillary and Barack comment.
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05-25-2024 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Page after page of evidence.
This presented to the courts would be a slam dunk. Yes?
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05-26-2024 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
You can take it as whatever you want but there is plenty of evidence that the 2020 election was stolen.

Start with these 2 books. Page after page of evidence. Too much for me to summarise.

https://www.amazon.com/Debunked-Prof...s%2C127&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/Rigged-Media-...84513367&psc=1

No idea what you mean with the Hillary and Barack comment.
So why they didn’t bring it to court ?
Anyone can write books .
Books aren’t evidences .

Do u at least are happy or believe the judicial system needs evidence to condemn something/someone ?
Or should it all be based on opinions and political script like in China and other anti democratic countries like that ?
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05-26-2024 , 08:26 AM
There's so much evidence, I can't even provide you a summary of what it is! What a joke.
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05-26-2024 , 01:45 PM
Denial about Donald Trump has reached a new low

Joe Biden’s age receives far more coverage than Trump’s declarations
that if he returns to the White House he will detain and deport millions of
people and allow Vladimir Putin’s Russia to “do whatever the hell they want.”

Dwelling in denial is the default mode for millions who have taken
our freedoms for granted and don’t want to think about how their lives
would be altered by the advent of authoritarian governance in America.

Authoritarians have often told us what they are going to do,
but people have rarely believed them, or they have felt that since they didn’t
fit the profile of those the autocrat was targeting, they wouldn’t be affected.

Even when democracy dies by coup, and the repression is heavy and immediate,
some underestimate the impact and view the situation as merely temporary.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...024-rcna153962
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05-26-2024 , 03:22 PM
Deporting every single illegal immigrant should be a legal mandate for anyone governing, it's incredible that telling people "I will apply the law than congress wrote as it's my moral and legal obligation to do" can be considered authoritarian.

Absurd how some people complete rape the basic idea of the rule of law
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05-26-2024 , 03:27 PM
Let 'em Stay.

What's wrong with that?
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05-26-2024 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Let 'em Stay.

What's wrong with that?
That's a debate about preferences.

But the "let's deport every ****ing One of them" preference isn't authoritarian, unless every time anyone wants the democratically passed law, constitutionally confirmed law, applied, that's authoritarian on any topic.

It is just an absolutely perfectly compatible with democracy preference which you happen to disagree with.

The horror, the obscenity, is one side claiming the preferences of the other side are illicit when they objectively aren't.

That's hatred for the democratic process, it is the literal attempt to claim that only what the left prefers is democratic, everything else isn't. Which isn't compatible with civil society
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05-26-2024 , 03:35 PM
If you don't fully accept that any single outcome which is constitutional is perfectly allowed and compatible with democracy no matter how much you dislike it, you hate democracy and you are inimical to the core values of the west and incompatible with civil society
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05-26-2024 , 05:16 PM
holy **** get a friend
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05-26-2024 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
If you don't fully accept that any single outcome which is constitutional is perfectly allowed and compatible with democracy no matter how much you dislike it, you hate democracy and you are inimical to the core values of the west and incompatible with civil society
I prefer open borders over democracy
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05-26-2024 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Deporting every single illegal immigrant should be a legal mandate for anyone governing, it's incredible that telling people "I will apply the law than congress wrote as it's my moral and legal obligation to do" can be considered authoritarian.

Absurd how some people complete rape the basic idea of the rule of law
And about a president that do not respect the law ?
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05-26-2024 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Horror
I prefer open borders over democracy
You really prefer a policy you agree with to democracy? That's eversive
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05-26-2024 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
And about a president that do not respect the law ?
Courts exist for that reason and if they find him guilty he should rot in prison
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05-26-2024 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Courts exist for that reason and if they find him guilty he should rot in prison
Half the country will disagree with you if that happens …
They don’t believe in courts and how they function .

I’m glad you on our side for this one .
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05-26-2024 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Half the country will disagree with you if that happens …
They don’t believe in courts and how they function .

I’m glad you on our side for this one .
I have always been on the rule of law side which is very very very rarely the left side of any country
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05-26-2024 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
You really prefer a policy you agree with to democracy? That's eversive
I prefer a moral, practical solution to a problem that isn't really a problem over majority rule, yes.

The problem with immigration isn't the illegality of the behavior. The problem is sheltering and feeding them. Don't shelter and feed them and they won't come as much.

Should the government be telling landlords to whom they ought not rent housing or employers who they ought not employ? Hell no.

If they wanna live here and work, go for it. If they'd rather live under a bridge here than in a Venezuelan shack, OK. If they commit violent crimes, prosecute and deport them.
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05-26-2024 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by The Horror
I prefer a moral, practical solution to a problem that isn't really a problem over majority rule, yes.

The problem with immigration isn't the illegality of the behavior. The problem is sheltering and feeding them. Don't shelter and feed them and they won't come as much.

Should the government be telling landlords to whom they ought not rent housing or employers who they ought not employ? Hell no.

If they wanna live here and work, go for it. If they'd rather live under a bridge here than in a Venezuelan shack, OK. If they commit violent crimes, prosecute and deport them.
What about SCOTUS rulings that legally forced you to educate their kids for example? Or to take them all into the ER if needed at taxpayers expense?

You can't talk as if that wasn't the rule of the land, because it is.

Then there is the detail of their children being American citizens if they are born there which makes them relatives of a citizen so you have to give them stuff once they become legal residents and so on.

At absolute 0 welfare an with no path to citizenship for them or their offspring I would agree with you, but that's not the world we live in
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05-26-2024 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Lol

You wouldn't know fascism if you fell over it. Throwing meaningless slogans around like that is more descriptive of your own ignorance than anything else.
It's hard waking up to the idea that you are in a fascist movement while fancying yourself a great American patriot. That's gotta be a nightmare. When the wool is pulled over the eyes then even admitted it was all just a con job by the perpetrators, the impulse to deny is strong. About 90% stay the course and just deny, deny, deny in favor of their current worldview. I did know a few who abandoned their dear leader when it became blatantly apparent what was up, much to their credit ... but not many.
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05-26-2024 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
What about SCOTUS rulings that legally forced you to educate their kids for example? Or to take them all into the ER if needed at taxpayers expense?

You can't talk as if that wasn't the rule of the land, because it is.

Then there is the detail of their children being American citizens if they are born there which makes them relatives of a citizen so you have to give them stuff once they become legal residents and so on.

At absolute 0 welfare an with no path to citizenship for them or their offspring I would agree with you, but that's not the world we live in
I have no issue with birthright citizenship, fast tracks to citizenship for working people, and the human right to a free education through the 12th grade and maybe even beyond. I'm talking about housing and employment. Take away the shelters and stipends, allow employers to hire them for lawful wages, landlords to use their own discretion in renting to tenants, and you have productive members of society. I don't care what dirt they were born on.
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05-26-2024 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
It's hard waking up to the idea that you are in a fascist movement while fancying yourself a great American patriot. That's gotta be a nightmare. When the wool is pulled over the eyes then even admitted it was all just a con job by the perpetrators, the impulse to deny is strong. About 90% stay the course and just deny, deny, deny in favor of their current worldview. I did know a few who abandoned their dear leader when it became blatantly apparent what was up, much to their credit ... but not many.
Many of them never will. It will just never happen.
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05-26-2024 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
It's hard waking up to the idea that you are in a fascist movement while fancying yourself a great American patriot. That's gotta be a nightmare. When the wool is pulled over the eyes then even admitted it was all just a con job by the perpetrators, the impulse to deny is strong. About 90% stay the course and just deny, deny, deny in favor of their current worldview. I did know a few who abandoned their dear leader when it became blatantly apparent what was up, much to their credit ... but not many.
Dude, you support the fascist genocide enabling Biden regime. Maybe it's time for you to wake up.
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05-26-2024 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian James
Dude, you support the fascist genocide enabling Biden regime. Maybe it's time for you to wake up.
U believe Biden is a right wing politician to be a fascist ?
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05-27-2024 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
U believe Biden is a right wing politician to be a fascist ?
You don't have to be right wing to be a fascist. In actual fact the American left of today has a far closer affinity to fascism than the right.

This article might help to explain it for you.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjo...transcript.pdf
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