It can mean more than one thing, depending on who is using it and how they are doing so. It can mean death to the nation/government/idea and require killing no one. It can also mean someone wants many Americans to die. No one, aside from you, is suggesting it can only mean one of those things.

And yes, the latter meaning makes it a provocative phrase to use that will sometimes be construed as a call to violence regardless of actual intent, just as "I am standing by" is fraught with the same problems.

This isn't complicated.

The Proud Boys certainly aren't irrelevant, and that wasn't their slogan, the phrase was coined by Trump himself when asked about them in a debate. That phrase has no meaning outside of that context, so of course it will be linked to them, and I'm sure it was meant to be.

Regarding "death to America", maybe some people would use it and intend on only peaceful change, but I would imagine the number meaning that would be extremely small. I don't know in what context that was said in the thread, and I'm not planning to read the whole thing to figure it out.
But I'm sure that isn't any mainstream 'left' opinion of the phrase, and I would consider anyone in the US chanting that phrase to be an extremist.

Who exactly has been using this phrase anyway? A lot of privileged young people living off the wealth of their capitalist parents? Most of whom will be full participants of the system they claim to hate within 15 years or so. Just like the protest class of the late 60s to early 70s became the yuppies of the 80s.

These are great days we're livin, bros.

This is what drives me insane about all this whataboutism. No matter how much people try to will it into existence because they are on the side of people who have actually committed atrocities, there is no such thing as left wing terrorism in the United States

There’s a lot of young people with angst who want to post for clicks on Instagram but do you really think the people in tent cities at Columbia university are going to take up arms and hold people hostage?

As far as I know no leftist has invaded the home of Mike Johnson with a hammer trying to kill him but took out his wife instead

As far as I know no leftist group has plotted to kidnap that invalid governor from texas

As far as I know no leftist group has plotted to overthrow an election cuz a Republican won

As far as I know no leftist group has stormed congress

But ya, you know, some 21 year old is co-opting death to America while wearing a fedora so newsmax would have you believe you need to buy 17 AR-15s to save yourself

I think someone chanting "death to America" , "for fun" and then ending up clerking for a SCOTUS judge is infinitely more dangerous for society than a group of low lifers on disability or at most repairing bikes in a **** hole county where 40k/year is a high income thinking all colored people should be deported.

Like it's not even close. Those "death to America" people will often enough reach positions where they can have a role in society. That's the actual, direct, real, threat to society, not racist scum without a life venting off some frustration

Chanting: « Hang pence » !

Or they'll get careers and stop caring like everyone else

But they won't be saying "DTA" after that get their degree and a good job working for the man. Any of them who actually have power will realize the system is working for them and will become a regular corporate liberal or maybe even a conservative.

Stop caring like they did when they decided there are 72 genders or when they defended BLM riots in tens of cities? Or when they tried to steal hundreds of billions from taxpayers unconstitutionally by forfeiting student debt?

Because the people who protested violently from the left 25-35 years ago are those pushing that right now.

Society is suffering immensely in most western counteies from radical leftists having grown into positions of power from the previous generation, the hasta la Victoria sempre men and women are judges, HR managers discriminating heavily against white and asian men, and so on.

Trump’s ‘hush money’ trial live updates: Michael Cohen back on stand
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Updated May 20, 2024, 11:08 a.m. ET
Follow the Post’s latest live updates from Donald Trump’s “hush money” trial as Michael Cohen’s testimony continues in Manhattan Supreme Court:

What to know
Trump’s legal team can ask hush money trial jury to consider misdemeanor charges ahead of closing arguments
Trump’s ‘hush money’ trial nears its end — here’s the key evidence and questions jurors will weigh
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Cohen calmly admits 'stealing ' $30,000 from Trump Organization
By Ben Kochman and Kyle Schnitzer
Michael Cohen coolly admitted Monday stealing $30,000 from the Trump Organization after overstating how much he needed to be repaid for fronting funds to a poll-rigging tech company called Red Finch.

Cohen testified that he handed the CEO of the company $20,000 in cash in a brown paper bag in exchange for services that included rigging 2016 election polls in Donald Trump's favor.

But when Trump's chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg asked him during a mid-2017 meeting whether he needed to be reimbursed $50,000 for this, Cohen went along with it -- pocketing the difference, he said.

"You did steal from the Trump Organization based on the expected reimbursement from Red Finch, correct?" Trump lawyer Todd Blanche, his voice rising to a high pitch, asked Cohen.

"Yes, sir," Cohen calmly replied.

Trump broke away from his eyes-closed position during this exchange and popped a mint before appearing to pay close attention to Cohen's testimony.

"Have you paid back the Trump Organization for the money you stole from them?" Blanche asked later.

"No, sir," Cohen responded.

and.... Cohen is a douche? We knew that. Pretty much everyone that works for trump is.

What Cohen action had anything to do with trump actions ?
Trump is a real mob boss lol.
Giving orders and the deeds made by others to try to protect himself from justice …

They did good in the Georgia case I guess .
Not attacking trump directly before having all his associates in the bag first

Cohen actions have to do with Cohen credibility for the jury

Cohen has no credibility

The whole case is based on a phone call that was proved he lied about

But what you, me and anyone else think of Cohen is irrelevant, only the jury matters at this point.

If cohen had no credibility , why did trump kept him so long for over a decade ?
It’s like capo of mob boss lol .
They have no credibility either .

Trump's a genius!
Rather than hiring the best and the brightest, he hires people who would never have any credibility in front of a jury if they turn on him.

Anyone want to bet on Trump testifying?

Who told you the whole case hinged on that?

OMG ... a new kind of narcissism is coined re 45 and his genus: the phallic narcissist. And it's kind of serious, posed by psychologist and narcissism expert Sam Vaknin, in one of his god-like delineations of the field. That's too rich.

Nails it...

What do you propose?

Trump ain’t suicidal .
He will not .

So since Cohen admitted he stole from the Trump organization can they charge him still?