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04-29-2024 , 09:32 AM
this guy has all the feels
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04-29-2024 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Just curious, which of Trump's claims in that clip do you think are accurate.
I think it’s impossible to know 100% what Putin would have done if trump won again. I think trump talks a tougher game to foreign leaders and I think foreign leaders knew Biden would be more of a pushover. I would suspect Ukraine was less likely to be invaded if trump was president, but I don’t think it’s worth speculating the odds of Ukraine being invaded in each country.

I think hamas was likely less likely to attack Israel if Ukraine/russia wasn’t going on.

The 2 above are at least debatable. There is no debate that we would have seen less inflation under trump than Biden and it has nothing to do with any of these wars.

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Originally Posted by thethethe
Genuinely interested, what policies is he suggesting that benefit the majority of Americans?

All the ones I seem to have seen only really help the very rich, big corporations, and of course himself...
Taxes and the size of the govt are the two largest policies that I believe help/hurt the most Americans and the issues that I think should decide this election.
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04-29-2024 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I think it’s impossible to know 100% what Putin would have done if trump won again. I think trump talks a tougher game to foreign leaders and I think foreign leaders knew Biden would be more of a pushover. I would suspect Ukraine was less likely to be invaded if trump was president, but I don’t think it’s worth speculating the odds of Ukraine being invaded in each country.

I think hamas was likely less likely to attack Israel if Ukraine/russia wasn’t going on.

The 2 above are at least debatable. There is no debate that we would have seen less inflation under trump than Biden and it has nothing to do with any of these wars.



Taxes and the size of the govt are the two largest policies that I believe help/hurt the most Americans and the issues that I think should decide this election.
This is absolutely hilarious. Are you just not aware that trump was the cause of most of the oil and gas industry woes of the last 4 years?

Last edited by Gorgonian; 04-29-2024 at 02:12 PM.
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04-29-2024 , 01:57 PM
Trump's deregulation policy consisted of him backing out anything Obama did because Obama made fun of him once.
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04-29-2024 , 02:38 PM
Trump almost destroyed the entire oil and gas industry in America by begging opec to cut production, then brokered a 2 year deal for them cut production, both of which directly led to the huge spike in gas prices.
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04-29-2024 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
This is absolutely hilarious. Are you just not aware that trump was the cause of most of the oil and gas industry woes of the last 4 years?
Of course.
Baham believes it takes 10-15 years to create inflation in the housing markets and only 3-6 months in the real economy when in actually it’s the absolute opposite lol….
But to blame the democrats his got no choice to use that dumb narrative shrug .

Worst is again , he disregarded how bad the rising of debts is equally important regardless created by republicans or democrats , so trump gets a pass thinking the population fair better under trump ….
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04-29-2024 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Trump almost destroyed the entire oil and gas industry in America by begging opec to cut production, then brokered a 2 year deal for them cut production, both of which directly led to the huge spike in gas prices.
This is the economic and geopolitical equivalent of "COVID vaccines 5g conspiracy".

Jfc man I thought you were bad, but this is really embarassing
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04-30-2024 , 03:55 PM
Trump hush money case judge decided that "RT is not an endorsement" isn't a valid legal defense.



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04-30-2024 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
This is absolutely hilarious. Are you just not aware that trump was the cause of most of the oil and gas industry woes of the last 4 years?
I am 100% ignorant to those. What happened
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04-30-2024 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Trump almost destroyed the entire oil and gas industry in America by begging opec to cut production, then brokered a 2 year deal for them cut production, both of which directly led to the huge spike in gas prices.
Isn't shake oil dependent on high prices due to its high cost to extract?
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04-30-2024 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Isn't shale oil dependent on high prices due to its high cost to extract?
not particularly no.

and it's flexible. when price goes up, you hedge and build the well, it only lasts a few years anyway, and you are very dynamic with extraction depending on price.

it acts as a great price stabilizer



in the past the upfront investment was bigger, and you went through over/under investment cycles in capacity
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04-30-2024 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
I am 100% ignorant to those. What happened
Trump begged OPEC to increase production of oil in 2018 and 2019, which they initially ignored, but finally agreed to do. This, of course, lowered the price of oil. Great. But then covid hit, and demand absolutely crashed while the market was flooded with supply. This destroyed the price of oil, and the oil and gas industry in America was nearly decimated. Several (I think 9? don't remember) refineries completely shut down.

Fast forward to mid-late 2020 and now Trump panics and works a 2 year deal with OPEC to cut production. So now we have demand start to creep up, far out-pacing supply - the bottleneck of which is refinery capacity now, since we have way fewer of them now. Gas prices start to climb immediately after this deal goes into effect and continue to rise for the entire duration of the 2 year deal.

Biden becomes president and goes to OPEC to try to get them to increase production before Trump's stupid 2 year deal expired and they of course tell him to pound sand. Stupid republicans of course think he was wrong for trying to do that (without understanding he was trying to undo Trump's mess). So Biden does the only thing he can and uses the SPR exactly as it was intended to be used, and sold some of it on the global market to ease the prices a little bit.

Finally, in 2022 the 2-year deal expires and prices immediately start dropping. Like literally the day it expired.

All of this is TRIVIAL to verify. None of it is even slightly controversial.
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04-30-2024 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Isn't shale oil dependent on high prices due to its high cost to extract?
yes it's a logistics issue, you can only process so many shakes at once, we need better technology




Spoiler:
the vast majority of oil in the ground can't be profitably extracted at current price points so it's left alone - reason why the middle east dominated oil early on was because they had the cheapest to extract stuff but as prices rose it suddenly made sense to invest in drilling underwater and remote locations in alaska/amazon
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04-30-2024 , 08:04 PM
Lol even trump jr and bannon conceding Noem probably shoulda shut the **** up there

Man up til her stupid book I really believed she was the obvious running mate
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04-30-2024 , 08:15 PM
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Lol even trump jr and bannon conceding Noem probably shoulda shut the **** up there

Man up til her stupid book I really believed she was the obvious running mate
If PETA or some such group yelps too loudly, it will likely trigger a thoughtless reflexive response from the right. She could still get there if that happens.
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04-30-2024 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
If PETA or some such group yelps too loudly, it will likely trigger a thoughtless reflexive response from the right. She could still get there if that happens.
Nope republicans love their dogs as well .
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04-30-2024 , 09:05 PM
this guy with his finger on the pulse of the right and all things dog
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04-30-2024 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Trump begged OPEC to increase production of oil in 2018 and 2019, which they initially ignored, but finally agreed to do. This, of course, lowered the price of oil. Great. But then covid hit, and demand absolutely crashed while the market was flooded with supply. This destroyed the price of oil, and the oil and gas industry in America was nearly decimated. Several (I think 9? don't remember) refineries completely shut down.

Fast forward to mid-late 2020 and now Trump panics and works a 2 year deal with OPEC to cut production. So now we have demand start to creep up, far out-pacing supply - the bottleneck of which is refinery capacity now, since we have way fewer of them now. Gas prices start to climb immediately after this deal goes into effect and continue to rise for the entire duration of the 2 year deal.

Biden becomes president and goes to OPEC to try to get them to increase production before Trump's stupid 2 year deal expired and they of course tell him to pound sand. Stupid republicans of course think he was wrong for trying to do that (without understanding he was trying to undo Trump's mess). So Biden does the only thing he can and uses the SPR exactly as it was intended to be used, and sold some of it on the global market to ease the prices a little bit.

Finally, in 2022 the 2-year deal expires and prices immediately start dropping. Like literally the day it expired.

All of this is TRIVIAL to verify. None of it is even slightly controversial.

Thank you for this concise explanation.
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04-30-2024 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
If PETA or some such group yelps too loudly, it will likely trigger a thoughtless reflexive response from the right. She could still get there if that happens.
lol
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05-01-2024 , 12:11 PM
Trump has no idea how tariffs work or what function they perform and doesn’t understand how his
proposed policies would pile higher costs on American consumers already frustrated with rising inflation.
That’s why it’s confounding that voters somehow trust Trump to bring down prices.

You mean maybe more than 10% on all imports?

Trump: More than 10%, yeah.

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I don’t believe it will have much of an effect because they’re making so
much money off of us. I also don’t believe that the costs will go up that much.

a lot of people say, “Oh, that’s gonna be a tax on us.”
I don’t believe that. I think it’s a tax on the country that’s doing it. And I know.
once Trump has dug in his heels, he remains committed to even the worst ideas,
no matter how much evidence there is to show he’s nowhere close to being right

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...iew-rcna150006
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05-01-2024 , 12:32 PM
Blanketing all imported goods with tariffs would be bad for a huge majority of Americans for the same reason stock buy back taxes, increase in corporate taxes, increases in minimum wage, increases in business regulations and a large part of the inflation reduction act were bad. They are increasing the cost of doing business - which gets passed down to some combination of the consumers, employees and owners of the those companies.
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05-01-2024 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
once Trump has dug in his heels, he remains committed to even the worst ideas,
no matter how much evidence there is to show he’s nowhere close to being right
I agree that this is a real problem for Trump. Decisiveness is fine, but you have to pair it with some capacity for reflection. Trump has zero capacity for reflection.
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05-01-2024 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
Trump has no idea how tariffs work or what function they perform and doesn’t understand how his
proposed policies would pile higher costs on American consumers already frustrated with rising inflation.
That’s why it’s confounding that voters somehow trust Trump to bring down prices.

You mean maybe more than 10% on all imports?

Trump: More than 10%, yeah.



once Trump has dug in his heels, he remains committed to even the worst ideas,
no matter how much evidence there is to show he’s nowhere close to being right

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...iew-rcna150006
Here is the reality yes folks may not understand all the fine details of economic policies like tariffs but what they do understand

Under Donald Trump prices were lower under Joe Biden Prices are higher

Does MSNBC inform us that Biden kept Trump's tariffs in place?
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05-01-2024 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Blanketing all imported goods with tariffs would be bad for a huge majority of Americans for the same reason stock buy back taxes, increase in corporate taxes, increases in minimum wage, increases in business regulations and a large part of the inflation reduction act were bad. They are increasing the cost of doing business - which gets passed down to some combination of the consumers, employees and owners of the those companies.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-2...200256187.html
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05-01-2024 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
Trump has no idea how tariffs work or what function they perform and doesn’t understand how his
proposed policies would
if you read fire and fury and fear this is abundantly apparent that he's just thinking out loud stream of consciousness in policy making

but honestly i think our government is stagnated into the status quo, we do things out of irrational and unfounded fears that x,y,z may happen

we thought we need to placate Iran or wwiii will start - he showed that Iran will do the rational thing for self preservation and back down when push came to shove

we thought nuclear armageddon would start if you weren't deferential to north Korea - he showed that north Korea will do the rational thing for self perservation and back down when push came to shove

we thought engaging in tariffs towards a nation that has unilaterally been imposing their own tariffs on us without any retaliation from day 1 would destroy the economy and create another great depression - they were so effective that the succeeding administration decided to not only keep them but escalate as well

we thought building a wall was an idiotic and quixotic waste of money that wasn't practical but then the succeeding administration decided it was effective enough to not only continue building the wall but escalate the program as well

we thought that not subsidizing korea and other allies by billions of dollars each ear would create wwiii overnight - they ultimately talked him out of that one, perhaps the odds of wwiii increase from one in 100 million million to one in 90 million if we pull out, but that's why we do it because there are people who genuinely believe that we've been doing it for 7 decades straight for good reason, that reason couldn't possibly have changed over time and that if we change anything the world will collapse

we are stuck in a rut, just repeating the same mistakes, not recognizing that the innovative policies we brought forth in the post WWII environment perhaps require adjustments



he's an absolute idiot, a buffoon, a poltroon, but that's how exactly how incompetent our government is, that you take someone like that and let then influence national policy a little bit and we end up learning just how deeply wrong we were that we ended up continuing all of his most controversial policies - even despite the political cost it gives the biden administration to continue wall building and maintaining the trade war with china

we suck, we need to burn it all down, i'd prefer it not be through trump, but i don't see any other way
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