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11-08-2021 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I'm also highly critical of trump. He is an idiot at times. But when he is right he is right. Try to debunk him on China, try debunking any of the experts there. And did you guys get that fauci was a big fat LIAR?

Trust me I am super disappointed in trump for a lot of things. Im also dissapointded or just as much in Fauci and his gang of lying hypocrates.
So, the whole pie is 95% China on purpose and 5% China by accident? You don't think there are some slivers worth allocating to any other possibilities?

How about that Venezueala thing? Definitely just some wingnuts acting by themselves?
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11-08-2021 , 11:11 AM
Its actually the other way 95% by accident and 5% or less on purpose imo. Def not how it's told. Acc to the info I've seen there bats can't even infect humans in that way.
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11-08-2021 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work

How about that Venezueala thing? Definitely just some wingnuts acting by themselves?
I had to look that up. Trump put a bounty on the Venezuelan president for drug trafficking and money laundering? Yeah that's pretty crazy. But it looks like that president was crooked a f

Last edited by washoe; 11-08-2021 at 11:36 AM.
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11-08-2021 , 11:27 AM
Bats don't infect humans directly, they are the origin who infect other animals. Bats are excellent spreaders of disease because they have basically no immune system to fight off viruses and they live closely together in caves by the millions.

Last edited by ment52; 11-08-2021 at 11:30 AM. Reason: this is in general, idgaf where corona came from
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11-08-2021 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ment52
Bats don't infect humans directly, they are the origin who infect other animals. Bats are excellent spreaders of disease because they have basically no immune system to fight off viruses and they live closely together in caves by the millions.
I would change that slightly as bats have the perfect immune system to fight off viruses. Their system has evolved to be basically immune to any detrimental effects of viruses while allowing it to pass thru them.

We humans, would not care at all about viruses if you tested us, showed we had caught them, but we never suffered any impact from them.
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11-08-2021 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I had to look that up. Trump put a bounty on the Venezuelan president for drug trafficking and money laundering? Yeah that's pretty crazy. But it looks like that president was crooked a f
It's extremely easy for me to imagine donnie just dying to take the cia out for a few spins once he finally got in charge. That Venezuela fiasco, the Africa one etc. I just think it's worth considering there may have been some others.

That SkyNews video looks like a hs project with the directions to--make a cheesy and very obvious propaganda piece imo. But hey maybe it's all true
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11-08-2021 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
It's extremely easy for me to imagine donnie just dying to take the cia out for a few spins once he finally got in charge. That Venezuela fiasco, the Africa one etc. I just think it's worth considering there may have been some others.

That SkyNews video looks like a hs project with the directions to--make a cheesy and very obvious propaganda piece imo. But hey maybe it's all true
to me it looks like a good investigation.
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11-15-2021 , 09:08 PM
One of the Crown Jewels of the Trump Empire is next in line to go.

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Trumps Selling Prized Washington, D.C., Hotel for $375 Million
CGI Merchant Group, a Miami-based investment firm, is in contract to acquire the hotel lease for the Trump International Hotel

Donald Trump’s family hotel company has reached an agreement to sell the rights to its Washington, D.C., hotel for $375 million, according to people familiar with the matter.

CGI Merchant Group, a Miami-based investment firm, is in contract to acquire the hotel lease for the Trump International Hotel, which is located a short walk down Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House. CGI intends to remove the Trump name, and it has reached a deal with Hilton Worldwide Holdings Inc. to have the property branded and managed by Hilton’s Waldorf Astoria group, these people said....
This comes after a House Committee report exposed Trump had lost about $70MM

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Committee Uncovers Evidence that Trump Concealed Millions in Losses, Hid Debts, and Received Millions from Foreign Governments at Trump Hotel


...“The documents provided by GSA raise new and troubling questions about former President Trump’s lease with GSA and the agency’s ability to manage the former President’s conflicts of interest during his term in office when he was effectively on both sides of the contract, as landlord and tenant,” the Chairs wrote.

“Specifically, the Committee found that President Trump provided misleading information about the financial situation of the Trump Hotel in his annual financial disclosures; received undisclosed preferential treatment from a foreign bank on a $170 million loan to the hotel that the President personally guaranteed; accepted millions of dollars in emoluments from foreign governments without providing an accounting of the money’s source or purpose; concealed hundreds of millions of dollars in debts from GSA when bidding on the Old Post Office Building lease; and made it impossible for GSA to properly enforce the lease’s conflict-of-interest restrictions by engaging in opaque transactions with other affiliated entities. As discussed in this letter, this new evidence raises many questions that require further investigation and action by the Committee.”...
And now, as he no longer enjoys the protections of the Presidency from creditors let the sales begin in earnest!!

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November 9, 2020
Why Trump Can’t Afford to Lose

The President has survived one impeachment, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. That run of good luck may well end, perhaps brutally, if Joe Biden wins.

NEXT UP Trumps most prized Golf Course, Aberdeen!

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Oct 28, 2021,
Scotland Inches Closer To Investigating Trump

Scotland's highest court has heard arguments on whether ministers should have investigated Donald Trump using special legal powers.

The case was brought before the Court of Session by Avaaz, a U.S. human rights group, which has argued it is the Scottish government's "duty" to use an Unexplained Wealth Order (UWO) to investigate Trump's purchase of Turnberry Golf Course.

When Trump bought the golf course in 2014 he used money “funneled in from elsewhere outside the U.K. from apparently unlimited funds,” Aidan O’Neill QC, representing Avaaz, told the Court of Session on Tuesday (26 October).

Even after purchasing Turnberry, it continued to be loss making, O’Neill told the court. Accounts show it made a consolidated loss of £2.3 million ($3.1 million) in 2019 and £10.7 million ($9.7 million) in 2018. "The notes on the accounts state the group is dependent on continuing financing being made by its ultimate owner to enable it to continue operating."

There are, therefore, "reasonable questions" concerning the financing of Trump's Scottish golf course that need to be answered, O’Neill told Lord Sandison QC who will ultimately decide whether or not the Scottish government acted unlawfully in not seeking a UWO against Trump.

UWOs were introduced in 2018 to allow U.K. authorities to question organizations and individuals with suspicious wealth that might be sourced from money laundering or criminal activity. Specifically, they were designed to shine a light on politically exposed persons, which, O’Neill argued, is exactly what Trump is....

A report, published by Avaaz in 2019, says Trump bought Turnberry Golf Course after "an unusual buying spree" where many of the transactions were made in "locations highly conducive to money laundering such as Panama and the former Soviet Union."

In February, however, the Scottish parliament voted against using a UWO to investigate Trump, and Avaaz has since argued that such a decision was unlawful. In May, it filed a petition in Scotland's Court of Session asking for a judicial review of the government's decision.

"If Trump can't explain the source of the money, then the Scottish government has the responsibility to take action, and if Trump can explain the source of the money, then that puts the issue to bed. And everybody benefits from the transparency,” Nick Flynn, legal director at Avaaz, told Forbes in May.

But ministers have a "discretion rather than an absolute obligation" to seek a UWO, Ruth Crawford QC, representing Scottish ministers, told the Court of Session on Wednesday (27 October).

UWOs, she said, can lead to a "presumption being that the property has been obtained through unlawful conduct and that the civil recovery order requirements have been met.” They, therefore, have "a taint of criminality."

The hearing before Lord Sandison QC continues. Flynn says a decision could be expected before Christmas and that "Avaaz is grateful to the court for a thorough examination of the law on a matter of enormous public interest."

However, those hoping to see a UWO bought against Trump might have a long wait. Sandison told the court that his decision would not mean that a UWO against Trump would have been granted.

If the ruling is in Avaaz's favor, the Scottish government would be asked whether it had any reasonable grounds for suspicion about Trump's lawful income. If they do, the government would then have to apply to the Court of Session for a UWO to investigate the Trump Organization.

Such investigations are lengthy, but will likely weigh on the Trump Organization, which is now the subject of multiple legal probes.

Last month, another of Trump's golf courses, the Trump National Golf Club Westchester, came under the spotlight after Westchester County District Attorney, Mimi Rocah, requested financial documents. According to a New York Times report, the Trump Organization purposely undervalued the club to cut down on its property tax bill.

Trump himself is not being charged in either of the cases, but such investigations could impact both his wealth and, therefore, any future political ambitions.



Stay tuned as I suspect Trump ends up walking away from this property as he will be unable to identify the actual financial backers as they will not want to be outed nor will Trump want that association known. So instead of identifying the sources of the money he will just allow the money losing course to be taken from him while crying foul.
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11-20-2021 , 10:31 AM
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...tters-n1284084

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former president has made calls directly to GOP senators,
hoping to remove McConnell from his leadership position,
and exploring possible successors who would be loyal to Trump
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11-24-2021 , 04:55 PM
Republican grumbles grow as RNC seems to break rules to submit to pressure and pay Trump legal bills on past issues (that is just last months bill below) while he may be a candidate in the future, which should preclude him getting the RNC support due to bylaws requiring they remain neutral in this regard.

Meanwhile actual GOP candidates today are turned down for money.






But really did the RNC expect Trump to use the hundreds of Millions he fleeced his dupes for, saying it was for legal battles, without still trying to force them to pay it for him regardless???

Oh and the Trump Merch just added Xmas wrapping paper if you are so inclined to have a Trump under every xmas tree in your family!!!

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11-24-2021 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Republican grumbles grow as RNC seems to break rules to submit to pressure and pay Trump legal bills on past issues (that is just last months bill below) while he may be a candidate in the future, which should preclude him getting the RNC support due to bylaws requiring they remain neutral in this regard.

Meanwhile actual GOP candidates today are turned down for money.






But really did the RNC expect Trump to use the hundreds of Millions he fleeced his dupes for, saying it was for legal battles, without still trying to force them to pay it for him regardless???

Oh and the Trump Merch just added Xmas wrapping paper if you are so inclined to have a Trump under every xmas tree in your family!!!

Trump raised $100 million dollars (https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...a-bans-2021-10) but refuses to spend 1/10th of 1% of that for his OWN PRIVATE legal bills? The only thing more pathetic than Trump NOT paying is the emasculated Republican party who agreed to pay it! It's reminds me of the wasps that turn cockroaches into zombies and control them like puppets (https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...into-zombies1/)
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11-24-2021 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
But really did the RNC expect Trump to use the hundreds of Millions he fleeced his dupes for, saying it was for legal battles, without still trying to force them to pay it for him regardless???
Yup.

Just a small taste of what is wrong with the party.
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11-24-2021 , 10:09 PM
The legend grows.
What's worse is the people donating to him love this. He's such a boss he didn't even have to use the money he raised for this specific purpose, he made the cuck RNC pay and pocketed the rest for himself. This is the kind of person we need running the country. Instead is falling asleep at a conference, Trump would not bother going to their shithole country and give them the finger. We need real leadership back!
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11-25-2021 , 10:06 AM
Just listened to a legal analysis segment on the difficulties on prosecuting and convicting Trump and those around them on laws broken around his real estate valuations.

No one thinks the laws were not broken. They were. But conviction under the law is hinged on 'INTENT' and everyone thinks intent, short of an eye witness in the room saying 'he told me this was the plan', is almost impossible to prove. The defense will always say 'we had lawyers telling us one thing, this accounting firm gave us numerous valuations.. etc, to argue you cannot establish beyond a reasonable doubt out intent.

This again is an example of how the law is an a$$ imo.

A voter in Texas gets 5 years in jail for TRYING to vote and FAILING (the system worked and blocked her vote) while on probation, which is legal in most areas, and the law says 'we don't care if that was a mistake... we don't care if she honestly thought she was allowed to vote... IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT EXCUSE!'

And in the case of Trump and Co and so many white collar crimes 'intent' is everything. Intent, the hardest thing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt as it requires an admission in most cases, no matter how blatant the law break is.
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11-25-2021 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yup.

Just a small taste of what is wrong with the party.
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Originally Posted by 5 south
The legend grows.
What's worse is the people donating to him love this. He's such a boss he didn't even have to use the money he raised for this specific purpose, he made the cuck RNC pay and pocketed the rest for himself. This is the kind of person we need running the country. Instead is falling asleep at a conference, Trump would not bother going to their shithole country and give them the finger. We need real leadership back!
Not just the party but politics and politicians generally.


I don't know of any other area where an entity can raise money for claimed specific purposes and then use it so broadly or even personally once they get it.

Is it a shock that Politicians have written the laws governing their own fund raising and that of those who support them so broadly that they can justify almost any use of the funds???

Another blatant case of Rules for Thee but not for ME.
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11-26-2021 , 11:48 PM
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...efeat-n1284544

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When will the legislature vote to decertify? People are very upset in Arizona that it is all taking so long,
especially when the findings of the State Senate's Forensic Audit were so conclusive, not even including the recent
revelation of 35,000 fictitious votes in Pima County, and precincts with over 100 percent turnout (how do you like that one?).
The people of Arizona are anxiously awaiting the decision of the Attorney General.
They know what really went on during that Election!
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11-27-2021 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yup.

Just a small taste of what is wrong with the party.
I agree. And I'm a Republican.
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12-01-2021 , 11:10 AM
It Wasn’t a Hoax
People with scant illusions about Trump are volunteering to help him execute one of his Big Lies.

By David Frum - NOVEMBER 25, 2021











And lest we forget...

Russiagate Was Not a Hoax
The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed what the Mueller report could not.
AUGUST 19, 2020











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12-01-2021 , 11:16 AM
In case you needed another reminder that Trump is a despicable POS

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...k-meadows-book

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Donald Trump tested positive for Covid-19 three days before his first debate against Joe Biden, the former president’s fourth and last chief of staff has revealed in a new book.

Mark Meadows also writes that though he knew each candidate was required “to test negative for the virus within seventy two hours of the start time … Nothing was going to stop [Trump] from going out there.”

Trump, Meadows says in the book, returned a negative result from a different test shortly after the positive.

Nonetheless, the stunning revelation of an unreported positive test follows a year of speculation about whether Trump, then 74 years old, had the potentially deadly virus when he faced Biden, 77, in Cleveland on 29 September – and what danger that might have presented.
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12-01-2021 , 01:50 PM
It looks like we are heading for another election in 2024 in which Democrats will pin their hopes on their ability to convince voters that Trump is singularly dangerous.

So how dangerous do we believe Trump is compared to other realistic GOP presidential hopefuls?

I believe that the Trump is far more dangerous to the U.S. and somewhat more dangerous to the world than any other realistic GOP candidate.
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12-01-2021 , 02:02 PM
Staggeringly dangerous.

Hard to imagine more dangerous but I wouldn't be that suprised if someone even more dangerous followed
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12-01-2021 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It looks like we are heading for another election in 2024 in which Democrats will pin their hopes on their ability to convince voters that Trump is singularly dangerous.

So how dangerous do we believe Trump is compared to other realistic GOP presidential hopefuls?

I believe that the Trump is far more dangerous to the U.S. and somewhat more dangerous to the world than any other realistic GOP candidate.
He's dangerous for a few reasons:

1. He has no regard for laws.
2. He is amoral.
3. He will do anything to save himself.
4. He puts himself 1st. Country is far down the list.
5. He can easily be manipulated.
6. He is an anti-intellectual.
7. He is a pathological liar.

I believe this combination puts him at the top of the list as the most dangerous person in the GOP. Sure other people in both parties may possess some of these traits. The difference being not only do these traits make him unfit to hold any political office, it makes him unfit to be a decent human being. There are actually very few people qualified in my opinion to be President, and of those, I'm guessing 99% of them will not have any aspirations to hold the office.

Now if he runs, will he win? Knowing how poorly run the DNC is and how many low end white trash racists exist in this country, I would probably have to say Trump would probably win an election against any of the current front runners ie Biden, Kamala, etc. But a lot can happen in 3 years so my guess is pretty pointless.

What the dems need to do is focus on policies such as 1. Universal healthcare 2. Raising wages for the average Joe ie 95% of Americans so they can catch up to the past 40 years of stagnant wages ie decrease the gap between average joe and CEO pay 3. Improving education opportunities post high school at a reasonable cost 4. Eliminating money in politics 5. Complete overhaul of the tax system 6. Reducing military spending 7. Fix the border issue 8. Protect womens rights to have an abortion

Only a REAL leader could tackle any one of those issues. Currently, dems come off as a bunch of pussies unwilling to enact any type of meaningful policy on ANY of these issues. Then again, same goes for the republicans (although obviously on some issues like 1,6, and 8 they want no part of).

In my opinion, America started going down hill after 2001 and quite frankly there seems to be no bottom at this point. Someone has GOT to be elected soon that will be a once in a generation President and actually get something done. Sorry kinda got off topic but once I get started I have trouble stopping.
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12-01-2021 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It looks like we are heading for another election in 2024 in which Democrats will pin their hopes on their ability to convince voters that Trump is singularly dangerous.

So how dangerous do we believe Trump is compared to other realistic GOP presidential hopefuls?

I believe that the Trump is far more dangerous to the U.S. and somewhat more dangerous to the world than any other realistic GOP candidate.
Without a doubt I am certain that 2024 will be a Lesser of Two Evils election and the Dems will be screaming 'shame', 'your fault' to any one not getting up to vote.

I an convinced that is why they are backsliding on most of the more ambitious elements of Biden's agenda since they know that no matter how frustrated and angry the electorate is they can just scream Lesser of Two Evils and get people up to vote.

None of the current GOP realistic alternate leaders (DeSantis, Christie, etc) pose anywhere near the threat Trump does.

If they are the candidate and lose they might make some rumblings re the system but no where near the rigged claims Trump would make.

If Trump is the candidate and loses a close election what we saw in 2020 will look tame in comparison. We might actually be faced with Alternative slates of Electors showing up for all contested States and VP Harris being put to a much worse test then Pence faced. She would have to be the face of rejecting the Trump sponsored ones and accepting the others or just outright denying some where it was clear that Operative intervention was at play.

I cannot even imagine how that then gets resolved. If the Dems are faced with clear sabotage the only thing they can do is have Harris reject it and ... ?? send it to the Supreme Court? ??

The Supreme Court really has no role in this type of issue. These are State issues and State processes for certification. I don't see the SC saying 'that person may have followed the process but it is clear to us that the threshold for voter fraud was not met and those votes should be counted' when such things are not clearly defined in State law and left purposely vague and to discretion. deliberately.

And then assuming the Dem's concede to avoid a brewing real civil war, Trump is not leaving in 2028 if he is healthy enough to hold power. He just is not. He will absolutely look to foment a civil war and grab unitary power to POTUS office.

Anyone thinking that is a bridge to far for Trump, has not being paying attention. He may not succeed but he will certainly try.

(edit - as chez says someone more dangerous will come along though. A blend of Tucker and Trump. Smart plus the brute force.)
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12-01-2021 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by thedude404
He's dangerous for a few reasons:

1. He has no regard for laws.
2. He is amoral.
3. He will do anything to save himself.
4. He puts himself 1st. Country is far down the list.
5. He can easily be manipulated.
6. He is an anti-intellectual.
7. He is a pathological liar.
Hard to argue with this assessment.

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What the dems need to do is focus on policies such as 1. Universal healthcare 2. Raising wages for the average Joe ie 95% of Americans so they can catch up to the past 40 years of stagnant wages ie decrease the gap between average joe and CEO pay 3. Improving education opportunities post high school at a reasonable cost 4. Eliminating money in politics 5. Complete overhaul of the tax system 6. Reducing military spending 7. Fix the border issue 8. Protect womens rights to have an abortion.
8 is likely to need a legislative solution. I talked to a friend who read the argument transcripts. Unsurprisingly, Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch would like to overturn Roe directly. Alito and Thomas probably would be happy to jettison the entire concept of substantive due process and the right to privacy. Roberts is trying to push the Court to reaffirm Roe and retain some sort of undue burden standard, but it's clear that he will side with the state for the most part when evaluating very significant statutory restrictions. It's unclear which camp Amy Comey Barrett is in. Somewhat to my surprise, my friend said Kavanaugh seemed to be more in the Alito camp than the Roberts camp.

So the cliff notes is that he thought there was a 50/50 chance between the two outcomes, with no chance of anything better, and not much practical distinction between the outcomes for women in conservative states.

At this point, Democrats might as well focus on controlling Congress and protecting the right via legislation.
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12-01-2021 , 08:50 PM
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Staggeringly dangerous.

Hard to imagine more dangerous but I wouldn't be that suprised if someone even more dangerous followed
I'm with Rocco. I'll take my chance with the field.
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