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06-17-2021 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I guess fun to fantasize? Why would Trump do that - that type of job requires a person to do actual work. He is a 75+ year old fattie who had his blog fail and I assume his Myspace page will face a similar fate. Sure, it is interesting to see how the Republican side will navigate with/around him, but zero chance he will do anything that would require him to do actual work.
I don't think Trump would do run for the House with an aim of becoming speaker. But it isn't because the job requires actual work. The job of president required actual work until Trump decided that it didn't.

I doubt that Trump's ego would allow him to run for the House. That would be too much like conceding that he lost the presidential election.
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06-20-2021 , 01:10 AM
This is pretty good. It's based on the "backwards pants" mystery/ incident.

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06-24-2021 , 09:41 PM
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-...-move-n1272248

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Trump asking if DOJ could investigate 'SNL' was a dictator move

in March 2019, he asked his advisers if the federal government could
investigate the comedians and their TV shows in the hopes of silencing them

Trump, like all dictators (or in his case, a wannabe dictator), hates being mocked.
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06-25-2021 , 07:18 AM
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Trump raged 'just shoot them' at civil rights protests new book claims

Trump wanted the military to 'beat the f--k' out of civil rights protesters including shooting them and 'cracking skulls,'
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06-25-2021 , 06:09 PM
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Trump organization expected to be charged by Manhattan DA's office next week


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Trump Org execs in serious legal jeopardy
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06-27-2021 , 04:16 PM
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Calls for Mass Executions Over ‘Election Fraud’

What are the consequences for traitors who meddled with our sacred democratic process
and tried to steal power by taking away the voices of the American people? What happens to them?”

In a hauntingly calm manner, Sharp answered his own question.

“Well, in the past, America had a very good solution for dealing with such traitors:
Execution,” Pearson Sharp said, claiming thousands were involved in a “coup” against Trump.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/oan-go...election-fraud
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06-28-2021 , 11:19 AM
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Trump would decide what the law said.
Trump would decide who was worthy of prosecution.
Trump would decide which investigations had merit.
It was the attorney general's job to say, "Yes, sir," and carry out the president's wishes.

then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) pressed the then-attorney
general to speak out against Trump's anti-election nonsense staring in mid-November.
As the story goes, McConnell realized the conspiracy theories were ridiculous;
he was concerned the nonsense would hurt the party in Georgia's Senate
special elections; and he turned to Barr to help set the record straight.

why was the Senate Republicans' leader discussing
partisan election strategies with the then-attorney general?
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...ories-n1272509
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06-29-2021 , 10:22 AM
Trump implicitly conceded that he realizes his core business may soon face criminal charges
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Radical Left New York City and State Prosecutors, who have let murderers, rapists, drug dealers,
and all other forms of crime skyrocket to record levels, and who have just announced that they
will be releasing hundreds of people involved in violent crime back onto the streets without retribution of any kind,
are rude, nasty, and totally biased in the way they are treating lawyers, representatives,
and some of the wonderful long-term employees and people within the Trump Organization.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...utors-n1272590
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06-29-2021 , 11:37 AM
Trump demonstrating his "big brain" and his masterful use of his "best words"!

Watch from the 4 minute mark to 6 minutes and 20 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJlAQscVbI&t=263s
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06-29-2021 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lunkwill
Trump demonstrating his "big brain" and his masterful use of his "best words"!

Watch from the 4 minute mark to 6 minutes and 20 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJlAQscVbI&t=263s

Saw that, yet Fox News is questioning the cognitive ability of old Joe. Both sides should probably keep there mouth shut but Joe isn’t that bad.
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06-29-2021 , 03:13 PM
It's not symmetric though. If Biden was out there bragging about being able to identify a picture of an elephant or claiming that political opponents and journalists would not do well on tests where failure means you need constant supervision it would be irresponsible not to point out what that must mean about his own cognitive abilities.
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06-30-2021 , 07:57 PM
The next presidential election I believe will be the end of the American ideal. Not that it isn't already over -- it is -- but that will destroy any semblance of it. It's not all one side's fault, of course. Afraid it's going to be scary and permanent horrendous dysfunction and oppositionalism.
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06-30-2021 , 09:32 PM
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Manhattan grand jury has filed criminal indictments
against Trump's company and its longtime CFO, Allen Weisselberg
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07-01-2021 , 08:06 AM
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Allen Weisselberg, surrendered on Thursday


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Trump once again brought up the cognitive test he passed while he was president.
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07-01-2021 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
It's not symmetric though. If Biden was out there bragging about being able to identify a picture of an elephant or claiming that political opponents and journalists would not do well on tests where failure means you need constant supervision it would be irresponsible not to point out what that must mean about his own cognitive abilities.

Fair point.
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07-01-2021 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by steamraise





Good stuff.
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07-01-2021 , 02:57 PM
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Weisselberg charged with grand larceny in the second degree


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on Trump Org charges: 'They've thrown the kitchen sink'
https://www.msnbc.com/ayman-mohyeldi...k-115851333626

Last edited by steamraise; 07-01-2021 at 03:23 PM.
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07-03-2021 , 06:21 AM
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We've always lead amazingly clean lives.

They still believe in this Trump magical kingdom, that if we say it, it is so.
And if we say it enough, then enough people are gonna believe it to make it so.




Last edited by steamraise; 07-03-2021 at 06:42 AM.
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07-03-2021 , 11:49 AM
As much as Trump may be guilty as sin this is a political prosecution and nothing more if they seek jail time.

Funny I remember Obama's admin giving a sweetheart deal to HSBC with no jail time under what I think they call preferred prosecution
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07-03-2021 , 12:08 PM
I assume you know that none have served time for similar infractions of the law, lozen.
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07-03-2021 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
I assume you know that none have served time for similar infractions of the law, lozen.
I mean, who doesn't have a spreadsheet with columns titled "Compensation I've Received From My Employer" and "Compensation I've Received From My Employer That We're Gonna Report to IRS" that differ by 7 figures?"
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07-03-2021 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
As much as Trump may be guilty as sin this is a political prosecution and nothing more if they seek jail time.
No. The initial investigations were probably politically motivated as were federal investigations into the Clinton Foundation, Hunter Biden's consulting firm and Bernie Sander's wife's land deals. Charges are being brought in Trump's case because it is the only one with such obvious law breaking. Looking the other way after you find such clear evidence of illegal behavior would be politically motivated.

And I should say the Hunter Biden case is ongoing and of course if he is just blatantly lying to the IRS like the Trump Org was he will get charged criminally.

Last edited by ecriture d'adulte; 07-03-2021 at 02:12 PM.
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07-03-2021 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
As much as Trump may be guilty as sin this is a political prosecution and nothing more if they seek jail time.

Funny I remember Obama's admin giving a sweetheart deal to HSBC with no jail time under what I think they call preferred prosecution
I am not so sure I agree with that.

I think that Trump Co has got away this long without charges was political.

I think any normie in his spots would be charged much easier from this stuff to the attempt to coerce/Intimidate election officials, etc.

In the specific instance when Trumps Lawyers are proclaiming 'this is unprecedented' I saw it explained that is because typically when you have a corporation so dead to rights guilty of these types of tax fraud, then the company, its Officers, cooperate and plead guilty in a deal that is typically fines and penalties and some sanctions.

Think of Trump University and Trump Charity, pleading guilty, accepted fines, but ALSO accepting that they will not do those types of things, including accepting prohibitions on Boards of charities, being an Officer or Director, etc, or creating new such Charities of companies.

So yes you avoid going to jail but you agree to a range of other sanctions.

In this case Trump Org would agree to NOTHING. Acknowledge NOTHING, accept no deal for those things and yet still seems to be saying 'we should get the same type of sentencing considerations'.

Why? Because to avoid Jail, as likely could be agreed to, many of those pleading guilty may be required to step out of business, (no Officer or Director status) and give up licences (Allen's C.A.), etc.

Trump would never agree to that and so would be telling Allen W and everyone, 'if we all refuse any cooperation the worst happens is we pay some fines and penalties. It only gets worse than that if one of us breaks'.

That is best for the corporation but as we see poor advice to Allen, which is why the Prosecution HAS to charge him with the full extent of the law. To not do so proves that non cooperation is the best strategy as you only end up at the same place anyway (as Trump's lawyers are calling for) which is just pay the fines and penalties.

It is important for the Prosecutors to not let that be the case. Non cooperation must extract a higher price than cooperation.

Last edited by Cuepee; 07-03-2021 at 02:24 PM.
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07-03-2021 , 02:21 PM
That is why I still thing there is a chance Allen W does flip.

I think he was told by Trump Co Lawyers, who represented them all jointly to this point, that the best strategy was non cooperation and worst is 'we get fines and penalties' but carry on.

What they did not tell him is, if he does the hard core non-cooperation thing to the end (ala Roger Stone or Manafort) , yes the company will carry on and no one above him (Trump family members) will get indicted, but he, Allen, will take the fall so they don't have to.

I think both Roger and Manafort were willing to do so, knowing a pardon was coming and any jail time they served up to that point would have almost certainly been required in any plea deal regardless. Allen W, if he has a good lawyer now who truly represents his, and not Trump Org interests, should be advising him, he should consider cooperation if they are offered the right terms.

I mean, very few people are so truly altruistic that they will say "I will go to jail so you don't have to" as they that is really what is at stake.

If I am in that exact same situation and really, really don't want to turn on my boss/partner then I fully expect my boss/partner would be saying to me "I really don't want to see you going to jail for me when you could get out of it. Let me talk to my lawyers and see if we can find a deal to keep you out'.

If I did not see at least a base offer from my Boss/Partner to try to consider options to saving me from that, then I would turn based on that.
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07-03-2021 , 05:19 PM
Trump Ranks 41st Of 44 Presidents In Survey Of Historians As Obama Cracks Top 10

Former President Donald Trump came just short of being ranked dead last among America’s presidents in a newly released survey of presidential historians as his predecessor, former President Barack Obama made his way into the top 10.

- Trump was ranked 41st overall out of 44 presidents in a C-SPAN survey of 142 “historians, professors and other professional observers of the presidency,” coming in last or near-last on categories such as “moral authority,” “administrative skills” and “international relations.”

- Trump fared slightly better on metrics like “public persuasion,” “economic management” and “vision/setting an agenda,” in which he ranked in the 30s.

- Trump’s ranking puts him just behind William Henry Harrison, who died of pneumonia 31 days into office, and John Tyler, who spent his final days as a member-elect of the Confederate House of Representatives.

- The only presidents who ranked behind Trump are Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, all reviled by historians for their seeming culpability in the Civil War or racial segregation.

- Obama moved up 2 spots to number 10, edging out Lyndon Johnson, remembered for his role in shepherding civil rights legislation and expanding entitlement programs.

...“Each cycle, we reach out to past participants and add new names to the list to maintain a well-rounded list of invited participants,” C-SPAN says of the survey’s methodology. The survey has been conducted at the end of each presidency since 2000.
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