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07-19-2023 , 09:41 PM
Speaking of Calcoolus, shout out to the best high school teacher ever

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07-20-2023 , 10:45 AM
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So the two ways to increase your score is bring up the bottom or to bring the top down. So I suspect a lot of the "reforms" to dumb down the curriculum and actively inhibit excellence are a cynical attempt to increase the equity score.
I'd believe this.

It goes hand in hand with the attempts to make the disciplinary stats better by way of simply no longer disciplining the kids.

What was it they say about making metrics a target? Something something no longer a valuable metric?
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07-20-2023 , 12:55 PM
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That post was mostly a copy-paste with a link to the source, so obviously I didn't make it up. I also am a product of the Cali public school system and I took geometry in 9th grade. And from what I remember the only 12 grade calculus class offered was titled "AP Calculus" and the whole focus of the class was preparation for the AP Calculus test, although you could decline to take the test if you wanted.

What you took and what’s standard are too diff things. I took algebra in 7th grade. Doesn’t mean that’s the standard


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07-20-2023 , 07:06 PM
I read the article that started this discussion, and it was entirely vague about what would be done to provide more equity in math classes. As someone else stated soon after, it could be as simple as having word problems which deal with statistics about racial equity.
Nothing was said about dumbing down or dropping any higher level math classes.

If there was another article suggesting more, I must have missed it in the shuffle and would appreciate a relink.
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07-20-2023 , 09:08 PM
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In "fairness" to progressives, what I know happens in California (which means it is probably happening in other blue states/cities too) is that schools are assigned "equity" scores which are pretty much regarded as the most important metric by progressive educators, much more important than actual achievement by their students.

And equity score is calculated by the difference between the top performers and lowest performers. So the two ways to increase your score is bring up the bottom or to bring the top down. So I suspect a lot of the "reforms" to dumb down the curriculum and actively inhibit excellence are a cynical attempt to increase the equity score.
Dude. Have you literally just discovered what "graded on a curve" means?
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07-20-2023 , 09:20 PM
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Dude. Have you literally just discovered what "graded on a curve" means?
Republicans try to do math is one of the longest-running bits on this website and it’s funny every single time.
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07-21-2023 , 11:09 AM
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Dude. Have you literally just discovered what "graded on a curve" means?
I feel like it doesn't usually work in the way Dunyain is describing. Generally the lower scores are brought up but the top scores don't get brought down and sometimes those are brought up as well.
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07-21-2023 , 09:47 PM
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I feel like it doesn't usually work in the way Dunyain is describing. Generally the lower scores are brought up but the top scores don't get brought down and sometimes those are brought up as well.
In fairness no ones grades are really going down due to CA progressive reforms. What is happening is they are removing the capability to take advanced classes. Then everyone takes the lower level classes and presumably grades overall are better. And presumably equity in overall math preparedness is increased because everyone is starting from the same spot.

However, in the real world this isn't what happens at all. What happens is that a lot of the white and Asian kids still take the advanced classes or at least get exposed to material; in summer school or Kumons or whatever, and the equity gap increases. And to make matters even worse, you lose the ability to recognize any low SES students who would have been ready and able to take the advanced classes due to natural ability, and they lose the opportunity to compete with their higher SES peers.
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07-27-2023 , 04:32 PM
Matt Yglesias (a Harvard grad FWIW) has written a lot on the Supreme Court AA decision. I am paraphrasing, but he is generally of the opinion that the Ivy's should generally be able to admit who they want for whatever reasons they want, but at the same time as a nation we should be actively divesting from them and be putting more resources into more egalitarian institutions.

He acknowledges it is problem that institutions that are so blatantly nepotistic and restrictive in who they let in are also so over-represented in our official and unofficial power hierarchies. Riffing from a George Carlin sketch, he feels it would be in our best interest as a nation to allow more people into the club.
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07-30-2023 , 04:26 PM
Florida's newest approved education vendor, PragerU.

alternative to the dominant left-wing ideology in culture, media, and education

"if you are a teacher in Florida, you cannot be fired for using PragerU content,”
Such language suggests PragerU intends for the content to be controversial.

“The Top 5 Issues Facing Black Americans.”
Problem number five: the victim mentality. Nothing holds someone back more than seeing himself as a victim.

Florida now lists Thomas Sowell as a political figure who shaped the modern civil rights effort

Sowell is famous for his intense, repetitious and often historically suspect criticisms of
Black culture, most specifically for decrying victimhood mentality in the Black community.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...wful-rcna96524
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08-16-2023 , 06:22 PM
My classroom is a temporary building.

"With such a massive rate of fire, this unit literally "burns through" bullets. Depending on the number of munitions spent, A typical engagement with a single missile could range from between $30,000 and $60,000 dollars. Some other estimates put the figure at around $40,000 per missile."
https://interestingengineering.com/i...se-gatling-gun

You can see where spending priorities are.

And that's why I've been in that temporary building for the last 6 years.

I'd estimate that if the federal government spent half of what it spends on "Defense" for education, the teacher to student ratio would be 1:7. Don't forget that the facilities would be able to be brought up-to-date technologically and structurally.

For context, I'm at a campus that's ranked in the top 15 in my state. I can't imagine the conditions staff and students face at some of the low ranking campuses.
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08-16-2023 , 06:29 PM
Why would one teach calculus when an occupation that uses calculus as a skillset earns exponentially more?

Additionally, one would take a serious pay cut to teach HVAC, welding, plumbing, carpentry, etc. instead of actually preforming those jobs.

The district I work for has identified this as a problem, but hasn't come up with a solution.

"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills"
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08-18-2023 , 05:42 AM
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I'd estimate that if the federal government spent half of what it spends on "Defense" for education, the teacher to student ratio would be 1:7. Don't forget that the facilities would be able to be brought up-to-date technologically and structurally.
Good luck cutting 50% of defense spending.

It seems like creating a federal school voucher program where parents were given $X each year to spend iat any school they want (public or private) would be better if we are trying to do what is best for the students. That way schools have to compete for those dollars instead of our current system where public schools know they are getting students and $ no matter how bad of a product they put out there.
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08-18-2023 , 07:58 AM
What if instead of funding the US military we gave people a voucher for whatever public/private militias they want?
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08-18-2023 , 09:44 AM
I am all for exploring different ways to reduce the size of government, but I don’t think the left would go for that. They are trying really hard to take guns away from people.
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08-18-2023 , 10:12 AM
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I am all for exploring different ways to reduce the size of government, but I don’t think the left would go for that. They are trying really hard to take guns away from people.
Well. They are trying to take legally owned guns away from productive citizens. Obviously, the left promotes having a large criminal class with illegally owned guns (see every big blue city and their indifference to illegal gun proliferation)
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08-18-2023 , 10:19 AM
1/3 of Grade 3 students cant pass a standard reading test . Unbelievable
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08-18-2023 , 11:36 AM
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I am all for exploring different ways to reduce the size of government, but I don’t think the left would go for that. They are trying really hard to take guns away from people.
You would throw a fit if the military budget got cut 0.1%.
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08-19-2023 , 04:39 AM
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1/3 of Grade 3 students cant pass a standard reading test . Unbelievable
It is amazing to hear stats like this and wonder why more people aren’t on board with a voucher system like I mentioned above to create competition in the education space. It has been clear for decades that education is one of the many things the government can’t do as well as the private sector can.

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You would throw a fit if the military budget got cut 0.1%.
I would love to see every major category of government spending go down including the military.
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08-19-2023 , 05:01 AM
The private is sector is great in education and yet it’s absolutely overpriced ?
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08-19-2023 , 05:14 AM
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The private is sector is great in education and yet it’s absolutely overpriced ?
Healthcare, education and housing - 3 industries people complain are the most overpriced just so happen to be the 3 industries the govt is most involved with.
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08-19-2023 , 11:43 PM
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The private is sector is great in education and yet it’s absolutely overpriced ?
Actually in education the private (including semi-public) sector appears much more efficient. Except for the most expensive Democratic coastal elite private schools, private school costs/pupil are considerably cheaper than public. With much better results.
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09-08-2023 , 10:31 AM
--I have said it before and I'll say it again. Show me a progressive govt official who vehemently opposes school choice, and I'll show you a parent who sends their own children to private schools.

Just remember. Most progressives actually know their policies are horrible and regressive. But they also know that isn't going to be their problem, so no ****s given.

"What is for me is not for thee"

--And the irony in this case is that private schools in Chicago are probably extremely hard to get into, and probably the only reason she even has the option is the political alliances she has formed exactly because of her resistance to school choice.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/educati...-side-families

CTU president defends sending her son to private school, calling it a result of ‘unfair choices’ for South Side families
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09-08-2023 , 10:38 AM
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--I have said it before and I'll say it again. Show me a progressive govt official who vehemently opposes school choice, and I'll show you a parent who sends their own children to private schools.

Just remember. Most progressives actually know their policies are horrible and regressive. But they also know that isn't going to be their problem, so no ****s given.

"What is for me is not for thee"

--And the irony in this case is that private schools in Chicago are probably extremely hard to get into, and probably the only reason she even has the option is the political alliances she has formed exactly because of her resistance to school choice.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/educati...-side-families

CTU president defends sending her son to private school, calling it a result of ‘unfair choices’ for South Side families
You did indeed say this before, and I'm sure you will say it again.

The last time you said this, I noted that:

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You probably should prepare to be shocked then. I don't know exactly where their kids go to school, but according to this survey of the 115th Congress (2017-2018):

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Out of 436 members from the House of Representatives who were surveyed, 323 attended public high school, 93 attended private high school, 1 was homeschooled, and 19 declined to answer. When asked about the education they chose for their children, 234 members sent their children to public school and 68 sent them to private school. A total of 53 members sent their children to a mix of public and private schools while 62 were homeschooled and 19 declined to answer.
https://www.publicschoolreview.com/b...s-go-to-school

These numbers were consistent with a Heritage Foundation survey I found from ten years earlier.
That sort of data makes me doubt your intuition on this point.
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09-08-2023 , 10:46 AM
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You did indeed say this before, and I'm sure you will say it again.

The last time you said this, I noted that:



That sort of data makes me doubt your intuition on this point.
Well, not every politician is an anti school choice progressive. And as I am sure you are well aware living in a big blue city, there are charter/magnet schools which are technically public, and a very effective way to avoid the pathologies of the regular public school system; and some of them are just as selective and hard to get into as private schools. And I would suspect that of those politicians who said they used a mixture of public and private, or just public, you will see a over-representation of enrollment in these charter/magnets.

But hardcore progressives are such elitists, I suspect most of them would even turn their nose up at a public charter/magnet.
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