I am a pretty short guy at 5'8"

(1) Short dudes tend to dwell on their height, especially when they are younger during their formative years. Earlier in the thread, I said it is similar to fat women, but that isn't exactly true, as it is not socially acceptable to dunk on fat women. Short men are inundated with the idea that they are inferior because they are short, both in real life and in the media. That affects a dude's confidence when it is most important. Also, it is really easy for a guy that is 6'2" to come into a thread on 2p2 and say that height doesn't matter, when nobody has drilled into that guy's head from when he was young that he was less of a man because of something as arbitrary as his height.

(2) Now, this is in the politics forum, so I guess the question is whether there is any government policy that can or should be implemented regarding this issue. The answer is no. In life, some people will have advantages over others. Part of growing up is recognizing that, and dealing with it.

(3)If you are a man in America, you have more opportunity to overcome any perceived disadvantage than any other person in the world. Height may impart a small advantage, but the major things that matter for a successful man are that he have a pleasant personality, that he is successful in his career, and that he is able to make money. This goes for your career, love life, politics, whatever. A short winner will always do better than a tall loser. If you are a short guy, it behooves you to remember that you are not going to get ahead because of your height, so you have to do better at the things that really matter, which are luckily things that you can mostly control.

In summary, if you are a shorter guy in this world, you have to recognize that height is not what determines whether you are a "real man." You may be inundated with that by idea all the time by what is around you, but it is only a small thing in the grand scheme of things. A real man, especially in America, is somebody that is successful. If you are a short guy that goes out there, busts your ass at a high-skill trade with high earning ability, you are doing way better than a tall guy that is coasting by. If you are a short guy that works out and dresses well, you are doing way better than the tall guy that looks like he came out of a homeless shelter. If you are a short guy that everybody loves to be around, you are doing way better than a tall guy that is unpleasant to be around. If you are not these things, then you better get to work on them, whether you are short, tall, or in between.

Good luck!

A real man is someone who does what he wants/needs regardless of what other people say or do.


The rest doesn’t matter.

If a man tells me I have to be successful to be a real man, and I tell him no I don’t, who is the real man? The one who needs success? Or the one who only needs himself?


Short guys that everyone loves to be around are not more successful than tall guys. Being tall gives you advantages in dating, in school and in college. People are nicer to you, it’s easier to get jobs, get raises, and to get respect.

5’8 is not short either. You throw some heels on and you’re 5’10. Add a hat and you’re 5’11

Good post. I don't want to say oh height doesn't matter as a 6ft tall guy, it clearly does. But I am mildly on the spectrum and my 5'5 cousin is extremely charismatic. He is more successful in making friends, interest from women etc.

I would argue against it being similar to fat women. Fat women are fat because they consume too many calories. If they stop consuming too many calories they are no longer fat. Short men will always be short.

Pointless, as I remember it, you are basically still a kid taking college courses. You are the person that most needs to re-read my post until you hold a firm grasp of the point, and apply it to your own life.

I am unsure where you got the idea that a real man is somebody that just does whatever the **** it is that they want, because nothing could be further from the truth. "I can do whatever I want and screw people that think I need to be successful", is loser talk. You can be whatever the hell you want to be, but don't expect the rest of the world to look at you as some kind of catch when you don't do even the basic things that are expected of a man in this world.

The rest of your post is basically what I was discussing in the first part of my post. You are you in your formative years and you got it in your head that being shorter makes you a loser. You can try to internalize right now that this is incorrect, or you can continue on with the pity parade.

Go easy on PW, life has dealt him a pretty shitty hand, what with being average height and male. We should be lauding him for his perseverance in the face of such oppressive adversity.

ETA: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ciety-1828479/.

On most days I am too busy to go to the main politics page and just stick to the subscribed threads page. I didn't see the "men are oppressed" thread until just now. That should be a good one!

I dunno man. I’m 37. If I’m older than you does that mean I can logically tell you that you are basically still a kid to me? I want to follow the same logic you’re using


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No my life is good. Do you think I need to have a bad life to try and fix the problems others have?

My life is way above average lol, I’m retired, I own a house, I’m basically 6ft tall. I’m attractive etc

My life is dope


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If this is the case, then none of your posts make any sense to me.

Ok?


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yeah, this

5'8" is not short, average height for US males is 5'9"

I was not tall for most of my formative years so growing up I had a very similar experience to you - my driver's license said 5'10" until 2 years ago when the lady said it clearly wasn't accurate and asked me to provide my real height - at the time i got my driver's license i was 5'8" and had lied

senior year of high school through freshmen year of college i basically grew 5" and gained about 70 pounds of bulk - thus I never "acted tall" because I never felt tall and it wasn't until I did act my height that I noticed a noticeable difference

yes, you can act tall but will still not be tall, i'm very aware of this

but 5'8" is objectively not short and this is the problem

it's only short on a dating app or short in binary sense

Girls filter by 6ft or below and they are very mean to guys under 6ft when y’all aren’t around

i acknowledged that <6' is hell on a dating app

so is not being rich or attractive

and yes, all things being equal, a 5'2" woman is picking the 6' guy over the 5'8" guy

but... and I think this will shock you

the majority of married men are under 6'

I’m sure that’s true. They are the most oppressed after all. Married men that is

I can’t imagine the daily suffering married men go through. All the married people tell me how lucky I am that I have so much freedom.

You need different friends.

I have no idea why you are replying to my post with this.

I refuse to believe that you are 37 years old. By that age most people are pretty mature emotionally, but you very clearly are not. I sincerely hope that this kind of talk is isolated to online forums, as you are going to be treated like a weirdo if you make these arguments in real life.

I hear happy wife happy life. I’ve never heard happy life happy husband

Why do you feel that is?

Do women even know how to use a measuring tape?

Doesn't rhyme, ldo.

I suspect that they would retract that comment if they knew you spent all of your freedom thinking about systemic biases against men - especially short ones.

I think that women rely on men for resources and men rely on women for sex in a marriage. Then I think one of the parties stops wanting to have sex and then the resentment and problems begin.

This is like 95% of it, IMO.