Has anyone pointed out that companies might still pander to minorities without actually respecting them? There's nothing inconsistent with a racist-ass company putting minorities in their ads to make money.

All advertising is pandering.

I don't think the Mars company either respects or disrespects minority customers. Mars just wants to sell as many M&Ms and cans of dog food as possible at as high a price as possible for as long as possible.

Rap is the most popular music genre

Does that mean racism is gone?

There couldn’t possibly be any other reason for this


Consider if African American porn was the top porn category in the country, does that mean racism against black people is over?


Do you know when racism is over? When people are treated equally and equitably, the same as feminism.

You disagree with every point , hard?

so you're saying the diverse casting is to get racist minorities that don't trust whitey to bundle car and home insurance?

are the m&ms black though?

Not trusting Whitney doesn’t equate to not spending money at whiteys businesses, unfortunately.

The media and religion has done a bang up job convincing brown and black people that they need to be white. Have you see what Asian girls do to their eyes? Puhleeez

is this your way of confirming this is just a hunch of your own, the same person who thinks being a short male in america is the worst fate on earth?

I never said anything even close to that. Please don’t make up lies


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didn't white people do that to them in the korean war so that more american soldiers would sleep with the prostitutes?

i feel like i read that somewhere but i'm not sure.

Tokenism is not exactly a non-racist thing, so the answer to the OP's question is no.

the entire asian whore/subservient sexual thing is 100% because most american "first contact" with an asian was a GI at a whorehouse in the pacific

The core problem here, and one that plagues us, is that we're treating the word 'racist' as a clearly defined technical term, when it's actually a mushy, subjective term that can refer to a wide range of things.

"Racist" is one of the worst examples of this, as it can refer to both tendencies to prejudice that I think almost every person has, and also to David Duke or Hitler and the 2 wind up conflated. And there's a lot in between or outside of that spectrum that could be called racism. I agree that adding the term 'white supremacist' to the mix only causes more confusion and conflict.

To your particular question, I think the advertising suggests that the US is not packed to the brim with vitriolic, David Duke racists. Last I saw, Obama is the most popular living president, which I think suggests that even more strongly. There could still be a relatively large number of such people. I think most whites know a couple.

Here's an example of how "racism" of one kind can exist without the other: We naturally care about things that affect us/are closest to us more. I feel bad for the people in the wars, but if Vegas was getting shelled, I would think of little else. By this mechanism, the interests of minorities take a lower priority.

The US, I think has the weakest social safety net of any wealthy country. It objectively has the highest incarceration rate of any country, by far. It's also (I think) the only rich country where the lowest class has historically been made up largely/mostly by a racial minority. It is probably not just a coincidence that we treat social ills with punishment more than assistance and that our lowest classes are mostly a minority descended from slaves.

Some whites might like this set up, as they hate blacks and want them to suffer. Others might have no particular ill will. But nobody they know will go without health care, or serve time for having a joint or a bit of cocaine on them. So it doesn't bother them that much and they don't try to improve those conditions. Or, take the easy way out and deny that these problems exist, or choose to believe that they are 100% due to poor behavior on the part of the minority. All of this might reasonably be called 'racism.'

As for Trump supporters, the fervent ones I know are mostly either mentally ill* and/or very conspiracy-oriented, and/or openly racist. These tend to be people who know little about politics outside of their devotion to Trump. I don't know why he has such a hold on them, but they certainly feel he represents their views. No other politician from either party has inspired something like QAnon. Why this is the case, is a very interesting question.

I know other people who are just normal Republicans and they tend to dislike Trump, but might vote for him rather than a Democrat.

*When I say mentally ill, I mean, like a guy who thought Trump communicated to him with coded messages in his speeches. Guys who claim to be secret agents, etc.

Whats the most popular porn category?

MILF, and for some reason they all seem to live in my area.

"Diversity" ads are not created for the sake of diversity. They are aiming for specific markets. If you want the black market, you hire Jake. Other ads are aimed at the white community. Some ads go after multiple audiences.

Meanwhile, racism can still be "a genuine and major thing" even though advertisers go after multiple markets.

Is Blazing Saddles racist?

This.

And this.

Now, OP isn't arguing that racism is over, but I think these posts speak to it being rather silly to think the number of minorities in advertising in any way suggests where the US is at in terms of racism. As Rococo has said in the post above and others, advertisers are targeting demographics, not trying to sell the same products/product lines to everyone with a single ad. And as PW is alluding to, the popularity in media/pop culture of a given race, gender, or any other identifiable characteristic is in no way indicative of the level of bigotry against said group.

Identity and all it entails including race and other demo breaks are a major factor in direct-response and targeted marketing. For instance, you just won't see many men seeing or in feminine hygiene ads. But with mass-market branding campaigns per the OP, all they're doing is entertaining you while they're repetitively tapping a thin little needle through your thick skull so that when you hear "fourteen, fourteen, fourteen, etc." and are then asked to name a vegetable you say "carrot." Like a good neighbor....

My hypothetical world doesn't exist. I was using it to point out a flaw in your logic.

This is a thoughtful post. I agree that answers to questions like the one rickroll posed depend quite a bit on broadly you are defining the "-ism" in question.

i guess the joke wasn't obvious enough

All good. I knew you were joking.

Apparently, in 2022 it was 'ebony'. I guess that explains all the minorities in advertising. 'Transgender' coming in with a strong showing could also explain the Bud Light campaign.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/13/pornhu...2022-searches/

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