Seems weird to post a tweet that refutes itself

It's a slippery slope. First they will ban hormone blockers for toddlers. Then they will eventually move on to eliminating trans rights for all.

Thought this "why I'm leaving the daily wire" article was in vogue. Matt Walsh is huge in right wing anti-trans circles, and this woman who seems somewhat naive if well intentioned on trans issues decided to work for the Daily Wire which pretty ****ing obviously was pushing anti-trans social warrior stuff. Anyways she has shockingly realized they are pushing anti-trans social warrior stuff and is now leaving. THe piece is interesting, but it specifically shows how the frame that some anti-trans conservatives try to do of saying they respect any consenting adults they are just doing "think of the children" bits in their advocacy, well, usually they are going to anti-trans in general and not just because of the children.

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/...the-daily-wire

They seem to be having an amicable discussion on twitter. Not sure you want to be promoting her as some sort of hero since she clearly isn't on your side. I haven't read her article yet though.

I hope I didn't give that impression! She is working for what might be the most prominent anti-trans conservative media groups, at least on places like youtube. Just amusing that even someone who chose to do that is finding issues with the anti-trans rhetoric more broadly than her narrower think of the children approach

Hilariously she pinpoints the hallmark of conservative ideology in the subtitle, just as I said.

I swear in an alternative universe (one not even that hard to imagine given the approach towards homosexuality taken in Iran), conservatives would be arguing that it is a free speech issue and a constitutional right to be trans.

Tennessee passed a second law against drag shows yesterday thus strengthening their anti drag stance.

I'm really surprised at how many people don't know the difference between drag queens and trans women, but I guess it "makes sense" if you just draw a big pink triangle around those two groups.


There isn't anything sexual about drag performers or shows. One of the reasons conservatives are targeting drag shows is because drag queens are culturally gay.

Some things like hunting are inherently masculine and some things like knitting are inherently feminine. If a guy tells you his favorite hobbies are make up and knitting, those are some feminine hobbies and it vastly increases the odds he's gay.

Drag queens aren't just like... feminine coded, they are part of gay culture just like football comes from an extremely straight guy culture. So conservatives don't understand the gay psychology behind it and then assume it's sexual for no reason, which is actually weird but good luck telling them that.

I remember being about 13 and walking down the street and seeing these guys acting gay. This was a during the time of gay panic , and I don't think some gen z person could know how anti gay people were back then and gay sex and kissing was illegal until 2003. So I kind of told the neighbors about it out of concern, and it was an awkward conversation. very awkward.

The reason I thought they were acting gay was because I thought they were trying to impress me. I was 13 and these were cute 14 year old guys playing basketball. It was a warm summer day and they were playing shirtless as young guys often do. I made a mistake on a subconscious level that grown adult men often make, they weren't doing anything sexual but I was the one sexualizing them. Because internally I was gay and didn't get the actual point of their basketball game.

So the really weird thing is that these conservatives are the ones sexualizing drag queens because they don't understand it.

The exaggeration of effeminate expression in drag queens can be considered a form of sexualized expression IMO, and the reason is twofold: there is likely a certain nuanced sexual gratification that simply isn't as focused as with actual sexual acts, and also because, as you suggest, it is an expression of sexual orientation, in this case homosexuality. It is a very blunt and focused expression of femininity that is lacking in such a neutral act as knitting. If one wanted to say that anything anyone ever does has a degree of sexual drive, or libido as a constituent aspect, I might agree, while also suggesting that calling it default sexual would be a stretch. Not the case with drag queens though, as they are focusing on feminine expression exaggeratedly such that it crosses a threshold where you can call it sexual, albeit short of being explicitly so, such as calling it pornographic would suggest, for instance.

I would level a similar "criticism" of modern music videos where a straight diva incessantly and impassionedly showcases her attractive physical attributes while crooning non-stop about romantic relationship matters! I could easily argue vehemently and extensively with anyone on the merits of calling these respective self expressions, drag queen and diva, having sufficient sexual undertones to call them sexual, even if some people mistakenly feel that I'm claiming they cross a threshold of being outright sexuality explicit, such is you might find in, say, pornography, as I alluded to earlier.

Or maybe there is no confusion when sexualizing drag because there can be a sexual component to these types of shows and they are not 100% sex free and kid friendly.

There might be concrete sexual components in some shows. I've never been to a drag show, so I wouldn't know for sure one way or another. Public displays of excessive sexually oriented behavior can occur in any context however, such as fans engaging in excessive PDA at a baseball game. I think drag queens would likely be very in tuned with what is considered going over the line at their respective venues, since the very nature of such shows might induce an actor to cross thresholds, but just that this might happen sometimes doesn't in and of itself indicate a major problem IMO.

Except your probably saying it is a feature, not a blip.... even then, not necessarily a big deal in my mind, depending on the exact nature of the feature though.

what's the theoretical difference between a drag show that calls for a ban, and sexualized dancers at a sporting event, or a hooters restaurant. it's just the gay thing, right? like can we be honest about that at least? it's just an attack on non-hetero lifestyles?

That's practically a possible logical extension of my post!

Actually, the "attack" is likely focused on non-cis lifestyles or (noun), if you will, but a subliminal attack on non-hetero stuff is wholly likely included in the full package.

A trans gender individual in Canada says we need better care for those that wish to reverse their transformation


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/wel...b66c19335&ei=8

The pearl clutching over "sex free" is ridiculous. You can't walk through a mall or flip through the netflix homescreen without seeing advertising with clear sexual innuendo. Sex is everywhere around us.

This quote from the article matched the sense I have:

It's hard for me to measure the degree that this is a significant problem, particularly given the studies identifying very low rates of detransition that we've talked about in previous threads. But what is clear is that there is a right wing machine to propagate anecdotes of regretful detransitions as loudly as possible. It isn't a surprise, for instance, that you would share this article.

Is it? The act of a man wearing women’s clothing and reading a book doesn’t seem inherently sexualized.

Sounds like your trying to marginalize a part of the Trans Gender community that does exist?

Ha. Nice try. I - of course - believe that people who detransition should be fully supported. That full throated support isn't in tension with pointing out how right wing anti-trans culture warriors weaponize anecdotes about regretful detransitions as part of a program of attacking trans people. You didn't share this article in some narrative vacuum.

My algorithm suggestions for the next month are going to be a disaster.

Drag in itself isn't sexual, but it does seem prudent to restrict access by minors, given the fact this is a thing practiced mostly by adults, for adults, and likely to involve adult themes.

10 seconds of Googling drag shows led me to this video, which was linked quite a bit.




Fun for all ages?

While of course when you google some things are going to be sexual - just like for everything! - there are plenty (most?) drag shows that are completely family friendly. The most prominent on TV at least is probably Rupaul's drag race, which is shitty because reality tv is shitty but not because it isn't family friendly. And when you are doing something like a book reading to children in dragon obviously - obviously - these are not the same thing as an adult themed show for adults.

The big point is this: the existence of sexual content in all the other domains of society isn't resulting in calls from Tennessee republicans to ban them.

Marginalize and a whataboutism is what I see

I shared the column because it shows the other side of transitioning surgery wise.