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Everything about this is dishonest framing.
. As I responded to Uke, attributing the hyperbole and overstatement of the tweets that you reference when you post these "laws" for discussion is probably unfair. You use enough hyperbole on your own anyways. You are certainly one of our "outrage" posters
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It also presumes the many transgender people discussing the "trans panic" issue are delusional in their idea that this is genocidal rhetoric but people largely unfamiliar with trans issues have some magical insight that allows them to see through trans women's claims even when they are ivy league educated and discussing it with men who are openly transphobic and didn't even go to college.
I don't know if you are alluding to having an ivy league education and are disparaging my education but nothing gives anyone insight into a system eradication of transgender and LGBTQ communities if it isn't occurring. IMHO such language is just designed to get attention.
And yes, I am being completely dismissive that anyone can mind read a group of people to predict their future genocidal conduct, regardless of education level.
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If you read what I wrote carefully you'll see I never claimed the bills did something they don't do. I certainly never claimed that all 400 bills introduced were currently law or am unaware of how state legislatures work.
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Every tweet citing a law in this thread misrepresents the scope of these bills (but obviously you did not post all these tweets).
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As for the law in tennessee your interpretation is an erroneous one. First you must understand Tennessee is a prison world capital with a rate of incarceration that is at least 5 times greater than any eu country.
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Who cares about your eu comparison. Tennessee isn't even first on the list in the USA, it's 10th on a list of states that I would define as a top ten list of the worst states for civil rights violation.
Is this just dishonest framing by you to exaggerate how bad Tennessee is?
Jurisdiction 2018 rate per 100,000 of all ages 2018 rate per 100,000 adults 2018. Adults in prison or jail
Federal 50 70 179,200
State 580 750 1,919,200
Louisiana * 980 1,280 45,700
Oklahoma * 970 1,290 38,500
Mississippi * 920 1,210 27,500
Georgia * 850 1,110 89,700
Kentucky * 840 1,080 37,500
Alabama * 820 1,060 40,400
Arkansas * 820 1,070 24,700
Arizona * 750 980 54,600
Texas * 750 1,010 218,000
Tennessee * 730 930 49,300
Florida * 700 870 150,500
Missouri * 700 900 43,000
Wyoming * 700 910
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.... in any case the idea that tennessee has a documented history of enforcing g laws unfairly against marginalized communities is beyond dispute.
Nothing is beyond dispute, especially when your claims lack any proof.
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Your framing of drag queens is incorrect, drag queens are largely children friendly and an important affirming cultural motif for young gay men's well being.
Every drag show I have attended involves stripping, sexual conduct, sexual language and alcohol. Anecdotally, my experience does not comport with your 100% are kid friendly drag shows.
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I'm sure when the tennessee cop told you they are targeting "adult shows" you just took his word for it. What do things in the actual bill like " impersonating a man or woman " and being against the "prurient interest " really mean? Who decides what is sexual or "adult" in nature? In reality this law will be used by law enforcement to harass gay bars, arrest guys in skirts, and cancel pride events.
Where did you get this cop told me idea? I read the actual legislative text signed into law. And again, it only applies to public places and has a sexual prurient component that is certainly has some subjectivity in it's enforcement. So in that sense, I would assume it has no application to a private gay bar but it could be used to arrest participants at a pride event, Mardi gras or a Titans game.
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