Well, ya know, I'm still a work in progress.

Good point. Thanks.

The reason the SCOTUS is overturning RvW is directly because of Christian doctrine. The court has been loaded with religious fanatics to achieve just that end.

I'm not sure why you are denying this as you know it full well and are perfectly happy about it.

I'm am not and have not denied that Christian doctrine directly affects political and judicial decision-making. And, yes, I AM quite happy about that fact. One's worldview (and everybody has one) affects virtually all aspects of life, both public and private.

But we don't live in a theocracy, which is what you claimed (or so I thought).

Well, the court ruled that states didn't have the right to impose their theocratic laws on women in RvW. The solution was to stack the court with theocrats.

It should be noted that the right of Christians to not have abortions was never denied.

This is about theocratic control. Pure and simple.

And of course no one is controlling millions of people for the glory of whatever fake god they pretend to worship. It's always for the oligarchs. There's money to be made by fleecing the flock.

America. Beacon of light.

Please bottom-line it for me, if you will:

Is America a theocracy?

If so, please provide a dictionary definition of theocracy that would align with your claim that America is a theocracy.

You may recall that I provided three dictionary definitions of theocracy in a prior thread. Which of those definitions (if any) do you find support for the claim that America is a theocracy?

Thanks.

Yes.

a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.

a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.

a commonwealth or state under such a form or system of government.

None of those definitions accurately describe the United States. If they did, we'd still allow prayer in public schools and the high-performing Parochial Schools serving big cities like New York wouldn't have been shut down.

Perhaps not completely, but you're part way there and getting closer all the time IMO.

Maybe so. However, RF is making the much stronger claim that we are already there, not merely part-way there.

RF can be difficult to engage at times, because he mixes excellent observations with utter trolling.

Gotta keep it green.

As we watch Roe v Wade crumble under a Democratic administration, it’s reassuring to hear the centrist guys tell me that the Democratic Party is strong and third-way politics is working.

Prayer IS allowed in public schools. A student can pray by themselves, or in a group. They cannot create a general disturbance or compel any other student to participate, but yeah, your claim is given 4 Pinocchios.

Nobody who is technically working for the state (including teachers and staff in public school) is allowed to lead any kind of prayer or religious service. THERE is the violation of the separation of church and state.

I'm looking at like 4 different sources, from across the spectrum, all telling me the same thing.

I attended a public high school from '00 to '04, and there was soooo much religion, religious t-shirts, everyone wearing the ash on their foreheads, etc. etc., AND my school allowed the military to come in and recruit us to directly participate in our horrendous war in Iraq. My history teacher loved to tell us about the various ways by which Islam is an evil religion. It's funny, I always hear about all the secret Marxists coming into schools to brainwash our children against the flag and our troops and our American Values, and I had the exact opposite experience...

Edit: I forgot, my public school allowed youth-pastor type religious kooks, acting as representatives of whatever church they came from, to come in and openly "give counsel" to students during lunch.

I had the pleasure of listening to fake Christian Sean Hannity yesterday while browsing stations in my truck. He was literally making the argument that RvW was ruled on be 'men' and clearly implying that we should be held accountable to God's law (God's law, ofc, being what he says it is).

We are probably about 75% theocratic but we're really just an oligarchy that uses religion to keep the dummies necks bent.

Haven’t heard people complain about no prayer in school since the mid 90’s.

is it the democrats fault tho?

This is still reality. Multiple branches also text you/call and come to the house

I thought it would be clear that my context was the 1963(?) ruling by the SC that banned teacher-led prayer.

Right. That ruling was from the O'Hare case in 1963.

How to you know that Hannity is a "fake" Christian? And what makes somebody a "fake" Christian? Or, to put it more positively, what makes someone a "real" Christian? Lastly, from the perspective of a non-Christian, is it better to be a "fake" Christian or a "real" Christian?

Do you ever pray? Do you have any friends that pray?

The vast majority of people who identify as Christian in a political sense are either dormant (nothing wrong with that ) or fake (the worst of the worst) so odds are on my side.

In Sean's case he's an obvious glutton. You just look at him and you can see he's very much of the flesh. So when a well fed, well heeled, well connected person starts telling my I should worry about the sins of poor women of color...I'm gonna call BS on my limited knowledge of how Jesus acted when he was here giving us an example.

But you are free to classify him as you like. Maybe he said the magic words or got sprinkled with you water. In which case he's gold.

Obviously a real Christian is better. A real anything is better, be who you are and do what you're here for. Posers just suck.

I pray all the time.

God never tells me I should go join the closest Bible Church and spend the rest of my life patting myself on the back for dodging that old Hell bullet though.

But I have time. Not dead quite yet.

Sure is!

For the Record: I don't know if Hannity is a "real" Christian or not. And it's "not in my job description" (as they say) to figure it out.

I agree with your general point that many GOP politicians do a lot of posturing as if they are Christians, without any real fruit in their lives.

Do you actually know anyone who has ever claimed that God said to them anything like the above?

Why do you consistently mix good insights with utter stupidity (imho)?

I'm not dead yet either, but I'm getting close! (Half-kidding! )

Remember, you can never guarantee that your next heartbeat won't be your last.

Eternity is too long to be wrong.