Yeah fair. I can agree w that.
Although with Demi specifically, it is kind of hard for me to believe that being called female pronouns triggers them so much they need to make this announcement.

With someone like Taylor from the show Billions, it makes a lot more sense that they don’t want to be called her.

It seems like an attention grab/virtue signaling to me. I guess if it helps non-binary people, whatever. I did find the timing odd too. A day after their coming out tweet their new podcast drops.

These stupid trivializations aren't clever or funny. You can be a young earth creationist and respectful at the same time.

Hell I assume half the people triggered by this stuff are/were fans of at least a fair few of the gender bending rock stars

I always love right wing "free speech" advocates who always seem to equate people saying mean stuff about them to Nazism.

Really buried the lede there. They didn't say they were triggered. You made that up. Perhaps 100% of their reason is about using their privilege and celebrity status to help other non-binary people and 0% about attention grabbing and virtue signalling and whatever other accusations about their motivations you want to paint. Perhaps it is ****ing 2021 and people who are non-binary should be able to say they are non-binary just because they are non-binary without having their motivations called into question.

Imagine being a 14 year old kid wanting to do the same. Given the spectrum of.....reactions.....from the crowd ITT, can you imagine how hard it would be on them? No wonder the suicide rate is so disproportionately high.

Stop making crap up. Were does it say I would refuse to use their pronouns. If I met someone who I interacted with and they pointed out I am using the wrong pro noun I would ask them can I refer to you by your name or what pro noun they want . What I am against is a law mandating it by the government.

But also really funny. So we’re gonna get more attack helicopter jokes.

Lozen was calling south asians east indians until a few months ago. Also still comparing covid to the flu as recently as like today. I really chalk up lozen's ridiculousness to being an ignorant, uneducated, simple small town bumkpin and not to having nefarious intentions.

I am done with this thread as fast as I started. It is a shitshow in the making

The whole point of gender fluidity is to acknowledge that the world is and never has been binary

There are people in the world who do not feel like a girl and do not feel like a boy. It isn't solely defined by your body parts or genetics

When you refuse to respect the way in which a person wishes to be referred, you're contributing to the world that has willfully chosen to ignore and/or oppress vulnerable groups who are for the first time ever on a large scale being recognized as human beings and not what your indoctrination told you they are, indoctrination which never allowed for their input in the first place. They were treated as if they never existed, taught to hate themselves for not being what society chose to define them as in a binary dominated world, and brutally assaulted physically and psychologically in day to day life

The problem people run into is they possess no empathy, nor an inclination to learn, understand, and adapt to a new reality. Some of you are making jokes and I get that there is humor in this, but jokes are funny when people find them funny. It's not funny when, continually, we don't understand that trans and otherwise people get violently attacked just for existing...

This non binary world is simply fighting for equality and recognition for all who simply never were acknowledged in human history, save for a few real ones like David Bowie and the like. I get frustrated that I feel like talking at all has become an exercise in walking on eggshells, and one wrong turn and the incels and wackjobs glued to the internet and don't know what sunshine feels like designate you the worst person in the world and start to get weird in unison, but that shouldn't stop one from attempting to have some empathy and an inclination to understand what's really going on here

There are others contributing to this new world just by existing and being human beings like everyone else and not being all hype about it. Tash Sultana is an Australian artist who has some pretty cool music. I'm a fan of them. Really talented, non binary. Like any other flow over time, generations will exit as new ones enter, and it won't be so weird or such an adjustment period for so many like it is right now...

In the post I just quoted you said "her" five times. You are refusing to use their pronouns right here, right now, in this very thread. They told you to refer to them with "they/them" pronouns, yet you continued to refer to them with "she/her" pronouns. Why?

It’s important to note that lag’s backwards views on science are an entirely separate thing from his basic cruelty.

This is sort of like saying you acknowledge racism, but are against affirmative action

Just the concept, not saying I have a particular stance on either matter

But the question really becomes, "How do we address this?"

Sometimes in the ideal world, being against government intervention is the right thing to do, but in the real world, it turns out intervention is the better option

I'm not saying I have an opinion on this matter, I'm saying that there should be some consideration on the possibility that your idealism is suboptimal in practice. It is arguable forced recognition is a good thing, especially if it leads to less violence and segments of the population feeling like they exist and can function like human beings since the government itself is directly acknowledging them

Might even be good for the economy. After all, it's been shown how much damage, economically, racism has caused...Worth thinking about

Consider it what you want. I don't cower away from the things I believe.

I don't know how much it triggers them. I didn't know the name until this thread I'm that out of touch with whatever it is that Demi Lovato does. It doesn't really matter to me. Someone tells me they prefer they to he or she and I'll go along with it.

If it is someone "virtue signalling" or attention seeking then it seems like the sort of thing where by just treating it as the trivial request it is then it loses any of that appeal anyway. Hard to get attention out of it if everyone says "Okay, no big deal".

This was a good post, but want to point out Tash is great and people should YouTube that right now.

I think a wholesale acknowledgement that this is no different than being bipolar or schizophrenic or any of the myriad other disorders would eliminate virtually all of the vitriol.

Nobody with a mood disorder likes the fact that they aren't "normal", but we don't go around pretending like they are. There's no pill for OCD, either, but people let them wash their hands 45 times in peace. As far as disorders go, thinking you're a different sex is pretty benign and it could be treated as such if you'd just admit that it's abnormal.

You're right, it doesn't require any effort to call people by their pronouns of choice, and I highly doubt you'll find many people who would go out of their way to make a friend or family uncomfortable by refusing to do so. uke_master is over there lighting lozen up like Demi is going to be popping into this thread in the near future.

Your real beef is strangers being mean to each other, and that has been going on since the dawn of time. You can keep taking arrows out of their quiver but it'll never stop entirely.

Sure. The far right would be happier if they controlled science and medicine like they want. But academic freedom, free speech, scientific/medical ethics etc stand in the way.

Ins0 is at least posting in good faith when he says he thinks trans people are mentally ill and ideally should be given some kind of treatment. I don’t agree, but at least he’s not pretending he thinks gender fluidity is real while posting the attack helicopter joke.

Lets be clear once I was told East Indian was offensive and I never used it again. Many Americans still use native and Aboriginal not knowing both of those terms are offensive here in Canada.

As well my comparison to the flu was in a discussion about making vaccines mandatory. I was in no way comparing the flu to Covid in severity.


I thought you were done after calling lag a bigot


4 times and i had to check twice missed one.

Great. You are now informed that referring to someone with female pronouns as you just repeatedly did when they just came out as non-binary with "they/them" pronouns is offensive. Please never do that again.

Don't let people get to you with that.

That is one of the most toxic elements of the 'woke' Olympics.

The idea that the minute the first person becomes woke about new terminology or a change, everyone who learns and adapts behind them is on a sliding scale of abhorrent.

I recall this happening in real time when the term Oriental became only a proper way to describe goods an services and NOT people from Asia and Asian become the only acceptable term for the people.

The woke police on the forum i was on were eviscerating a guy who did not know of the change in 'acceptable language' and some people came to his defense showing how many Asian people in Chinatown still used the term Oriental for people on a lot of their signage. It went from normal to bad overnight. Well, not overnight as really it is bad Day 1+ whenever the woke person learns it.

I think it was Toronto's Mayor who also got skewered for that despite trying to be complimentary. Due to his forever buffoonish many ceased on using that mistake to attack him as racist, which was just nonsense.

It isn't. Such statistics are false and confected. There is no elevated risk of suicide associated with gender dysphoria or any gender issue compared with mental health problems in the population at large. The UK study often quoted which appeared to show a rate of over 40% for attempted suicide among gender-questioning youth was run by an advocacy group, was never peer-reviewed (because it would have failed) and relied on a self-selected sample of just 27 individuals. It was statistically meaningless. All that stuff is just made up.

You learn not to cuss the entire time you were a kid...

The sad part is, at some point she might do just that.

If people can't think of anything else to do than mock and joke, I suggest staying out of this thread and debating something else until more maturity has been achieved.