Ive never seen u actual contribute to any sincere dialogue on this forum. Ur not intellectually capable.

Ur in the lead so far compared to the others that are pretending they are able to critique.

Everyone else probably assumed you could just look it up yourself.

I don't see any insult there, except maybe him calling you retro. If you'd like, we can continue this discussion in the mod thread.

I'm very confused by why you think this is some huge gotcha. A standard dictionary definition of Marxism is:

That's obviously a 100,000 foot definition, but it seems fine to me, and probably fine to most other people.

Victor's observations about the connection (or lack of connection) between "wokeness" and Marxism seem closer to correct than incorrect imo. I guess that shouldn't be surprising. If there is one thing I am certain Victor has read, it's Das Kapital.

Come on itshotinvegas, try to stay in character longer than two pages.

You wanting everyone else to do the work for you as if we owe you, comrade, I dare say sounds Marxist.

are you sure its itshotinvegas?

If you are right then I'd like to ask Jbouton some questions.

If that is indeed all Marxist what the left is doing, why are they hating on Russia at the same time? Is Russia considered to be Marxist still? The left I though all like marxists. that's what i know from my left days. they all love Lenin and marx and Che Guevara and stuff. and Che was a big communist fighting for and with the Russians.

Definitely not.

Yes I thought about that now. They mights be marxists at the core but they abused their powers like every dictatorship. So they are bad marxists I guess?

What exactly did Marx have to say about "wokeness?"

Very few outside observers would call Putin a Marxist. I doubt that Putin would characterize himself as a Marxist.

That's my point. There isn't any connection.

Thanks that is interesting although a bit confusing. I thought top level Russians called themself Marxists. Like Marx and Engels... weren't they like the godfathers of the Russian empire, sovjet union? I mean highly admired, like a role model for their system?

Putin is a nationalist and an authoritarian. You don't have to be a Marxist in Russia to embrace those things.

I'm no expert in Putinism, but my understanding is that he has been critical of a lot of the old Soviet leaders for building a structure that was too fragile to hold the old Soviet Union together.

u say dis to ebery1 in ur speshul waay.

All da besst.

It's not a huge gotcha. Some things aren't one liner explanations and a common tactic here is to come in with ad hominems, tell a person they are dumb and wrong. But never counter the actual points.

People really in the support or the Legacy crowd and the mods to do this.

I have said the the woke movement is a step towards neo Marxism. Nobody who has made fun of my character or my argument has even tried to offer an understanding of Marxism

And that's why I cite Jordan Petterson. It's not so easy to just say **** Peterson when he has a reputations.that people here will lie and say **** Peterson when the truth is they don't know what Marxism is nor why it's relevant and they have never given jp a chance in order to understand he's saying something any rational human would agree with

Are the legacy crowd part of the clique?

All the best.

That is to my understanding as well and I can't blame him for that as many Russians are critical of them. I had a Russian employee and she told me they hate Gorbachev.. I didn't get that at the time and was confused. now I get it, the fall of the SU was really painful for many Russians. and many never recovered. and now some former russian states want to leave the union and go over to the arch enemy. the US doesn't allow that either from happening. think all the 50 states and how they became the states. now think what happens if they wanted to leave. it's not gonna happen.

He kinda has to be totalitarian imo or else Russia would be ruled by corporations of the west. Russians don't like that. China is totalitarian too and that is the only way for them to raise to the top and escape poverty. or the fastest way maybe the only way. nobody wants their land to be ruled by foreign entities.

Ur a coward that doesn't have the intellect to participate.

All the best.

U don't have a critique.the idea u thought u would is a joke. Ur a coward the picks on people u think the group will have ur back for. U don't have the intellect to participate. And ur to afraid for people to see this.

What is Marxism to u, and what is wrong with the definition I cited?

U don't know what Marxist means

Replace the word Marxism for me with the definition mean. Else how do I know what u mean to ask.

Take this accusation and shove it up ur ass. Ur an intellectual coward.