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Her crime is horrible, obviously. But she was a 15 year old girl. 2054 is too long. Think of all the stuff she'll miss. Her prom. High school dates . college. Her 20's. Her 30's. She'll be infertile when she gets out. That is probably unnecessarily cruel.

I believe I just heard the sound of the world's tiniest violin playing a sad, sad song.

Every prisoner should be infertile when they get out of prison.

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09-10-2023 , 09:34 PM

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The reason it doesn't make sense is because there are many lesser crimes you can commit if you just want to go to a laid back jail for a few years. No normal person is going to murder someone due to marginally improved conditions in prisons.

Second, it seems like you're just finding ways to denigrate homeless people needlessly. Instead, we should just provide homes for the homeless. It's a problem the is easily solved, if we wanted to solve it. This is classic victim blaming.

How many previously homeless people do you currently allow to share your dwelling, rent-free? If the answer is zero, you're not doing your part and have no right to lecture anyone else about it.

All homeless people at one point had a home, and the vast majority had a home as an adult at some point. They almost all became homeless voluntarily or because they did something to get them removed their home. In Oregon after Covid hit, evictions for non-payment of rent were illegal for 2 years or so. But somehow homelessness seemed to go way up, despite no one having problems paying their rent. Many "victims" are only the victim of their own misbehavior.

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09-10-2023 , 09:44 PM

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I believe I just heard the sound of the world's tiniest violin playing a sad, sad song.

Every prisoner should be infertile when they get out of prison.

Man, it always reverts back to old-timey eugenics with these people.

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09-10-2023 , 10:09 PM

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How many years should Danny Masterson serve? Should he be able to attend his 30 year reunion?

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09-10-2023 , 10:31 PM

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Man, it always reverts back to old-timey eugenics with these people.

ding ding. The conversation between lirva and chillrob might look like a confused person overly interested in a few murderers having some common sense talked into him by chillrob, a reasonable conservative. In reality It's a young man concerned about ethics and due process discussing the humanity of certain people being told to not worry about it and support eugenics imo.

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09-10-2023 , 10:48 PM

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How many years should Danny Masterson serve? Should he be able to attend his 30 year reunion?

I don't like to talk about criminals who committed rape. It disgusts me.

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09-10-2023 , 11:03 PM

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I don't like to talk about criminals who committed rape. It disgusts me.

But if Danny murdered the women afterwards you'd sentence him to 7 years?

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09-11-2023 , 01:20 AM

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Every prisoner should be infertile when they get out of prison.

I'd typically assume this to be hyperbole, but in your case I think it's valid to ask - every prisoner? Shoplifters, people who write bad cheques, people who were caught with weed? Or is there actually a line somewhere, and if so, where is it?

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09-11-2023 , 02:56 AM

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Man, it always reverts back to old-timey eugenics with these people.

By "these people", of course you mean the voluntarily sterilized who think that no one should reproduce?

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09-11-2023 , 02:59 AM

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No line, I would love forced sterilization of everyone. It would just be easiest to implement on prisoners so it would be a good start.

Most of the people you mention will not be in prison though.

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09-11-2023 , 03:00 AM

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Except I'm not a conservative and I believe in the extinction of humanity.

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09-11-2023 , 03:17 AM

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ATWA!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATWA

"If you put an R at the end of it it means at war." - Charlie

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09-11-2023 , 03:23 AM

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ATWA!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATWA

"If you put an R at the end of it it means at war." - Charlie

Not sure why you posted this, but all four are things threatened by humanity. If Manson wanted to protect those things then he had a good idea, but went about it the wrong way. No one needs to be killed, they just need to stop reproducing.

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09-11-2023 , 03:34 AM

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Not sure how familiar you are with Charles Manson and ATWA, but his beliefs on the environment and humans were very important to him and integral to who he was as a person and why he lived the way that he did. Charles Manson was honestly kind of an ahead of his time visionary in regards to Earth and our impact on it.

Regardless though, what you're saying is completely impossible without something that makes the holocaust look like a kindergarden theater production.

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09-11-2023 , 04:09 AM

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It probably is impossible, but I don't believe in killing anyone (except those who are dangerous to society but don't truly deserve punishment).

Maybe someday a wonderful painlessly sterilizing gas will be discovered and can be spread across the earth.

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09-11-2023 , 04:19 AM

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Yes, one can only hope and dream for such wonders as a holocaust strapped to a death star.

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09-11-2023 , 04:20 AM

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damn, I just realized Darth Vader is worse than werewolves

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09-11-2023 , 05:05 AM

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You really think that killing people is the same as preventing them from being born? I guess you're an extreme pro-lifer too? And against all forms of birth control?

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09-11-2023 , 06:05 AM

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This is one of those things where anyone with more than one brain cell can make an easy decision but the yanks are somehow 50/50. Even Russia doesn't have the death penalty.

Also: no healthcare is idiotic, guns are idiotic, trump is idiotic, christianity is idiotic, abortions are fine, NFL is boring. It's truly mind boggling how they became the most powerful country.

You forgot the most moronic part of all, the mind-numbingly nonsensical month/day/year date format.

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09-11-2023 , 08:03 AM

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Pity her victim didn't even get to be a teenager and will also miss out on all those things. Pity about her victim's family too who have also been given a life sentence of grief and mourning.

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09-11-2023 , 09:05 AM

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Pity her victim didn't even get to be a teenager and will also miss out on all those things. Pity about her victim's family too who have also been given a life sentence of grief and mourning.

Two wrongs don't make a right!

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09-11-2023 , 09:15 AM

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this ^

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You really think that killing people is the same as preventing them from being born? I guess you're an extreme pro-lifer too? And against all forms of birth control?

I'm leaning towards holding whatever position makes you the most upset just to be an ass!

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09-11-2023 , 09:17 AM

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09-11-2023 , 09:25 AM

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Jodi arias is now a highly respected librarian at perryville state women's prison in Arizona. Hopefully she will be remembered for her work in library science more than that one bad day : (

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