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09-04-2023 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
Anti union people deserve to be trapped in a car wreck and no one come to help them.
A new consensus brewing in the only fans chat thread; You agree with Natediggity on the death penalty. : /
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09-04-2023 , 06:56 PM
No I think I disagree. The way I see it, if Christians want to go all in on The United States being a Christian Theocracy, let's just do it then. That means abolishing the death penalty and prisons for everyone. Man is made in God's image, and it's not man's place to judge, that is God's domain. So therefor, man cannot judge other men and their crimes, as that is a usurping affront to God. If someone commits a serious crime, isn't it up to God to decide their fate in the afterlife? No Earthly punishment can even come close to being adequate, right?

Not even serial killers should be given the death penalty, or even incarcerated. Free BTK.
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09-04-2023 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA

Not even serial killers should be given the death penalty, or even incarcerated. Free BTK.
I might be in the minority but I tend to agree with this. We've gotta get that guy out of there.
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09-05-2023 , 12:23 AM
It's not in my top 100 political opinions by importance, but like death penalty should be obviously abolished.
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09-05-2023 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
It's not in my top 100 political opinions by importance, but like death penalty should be obviously abolished.
It's a top 5 ish (maybe 6th) issue I have thought about. I've thought about it a lot. Strongly anti-death penalty.
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09-05-2023 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
No I think I disagree. The way I see it, if Christians want to go all in on The United States being a Christian Theocracy, let's just do it then. That means abolishing the death penalty and prisons for everyone. Man is made in God's image, and it's not man's place to judge, that is God's domain. So therefor, man cannot judge other men and their crimes, as that is a usurping affront to God. If someone commits a serious crime, isn't it up to God to decide their fate in the afterlife? No Earthly punishment can even come close to being adequate, right?

Not even serial killers should be given the death penalty, or even incarcerated. Free BTK.
I think those people shouldn't be executed because it lets them off too easy. However, I also support removing the ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

Letting them roam free is ridiculous though. I can't imagine Jesus thinking that is a good idea.
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09-05-2023 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
No I think I disagree. The way I see it, if Christians want to go all in on The United States being a Christian Theocracy, let's just do it then. That means abolishing the death penalty and prisons for everyone. Man is made in God's image, and it's not man's place to judge, that is God's domain. So therefor, man cannot judge other men and their crimes, as that is a usurping affront to God. If someone commits a serious crime, isn't it up to God to decide their fate in the afterlife? No Earthly punishment can even come close to being adequate, right?

Not even serial killers should be given the death penalty, or even incarcerated. Free BTK.
They also say to let the Romans do their Roman things, and I think running the justice system is one of those.
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09-05-2023 , 08:24 PM
I think the punishment for murder should be 7 years in prison but we should have nicer prisons.
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09-05-2023 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I think the punishment for murder should be 7 years in prison but we should have nicer prisons.
Any reason why you'd choose 7 and not 6 or 8?
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09-05-2023 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Any reason why you'd choose 7 and not 6 or 8?
I feel like 6 years isn't enough time to rehabilitate a murderer. I feel like 8 is too much for a first time offender. I feel it's the correct amount of time served to deter murder and build better communities
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09-06-2023 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I think those people shouldn't be executed because it lets them off too easy. However, I also support removing the ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

Letting them roam free is ridiculous though. I can't imagine Jesus thinking that is a good idea.
First and foremost, we should seek policies that reduce suffering as much as possible, not exacerbate it.

Second, you're wrong. Life in prison is a less cruel sentence than the death penalty.
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09-06-2023 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
First and foremost, we should seek policies that reduce suffering as much as possible, not exacerbate it.

Second, you're wrong. Life in prison is a less cruel sentence than the death penalty.
In what sense is it less cruel? If living the rest of your life in a cell is considered a form of punishment, with some level of cruelty attached to it, isn't death the end of punishment?

I understand issues with the execution of innocent people and the finality of the death sentence. But I'm not sure how the death sentence, which ends existence can itsef be considered more cruel than life in a cage. When you're dead, you're dead.
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09-06-2023 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
In what sense is it less cruel? If living the rest of your life in a cell is considered a form of punishment, with some level of cruelty attached to it, isn't death the end of punishment?

I understand issues with the execution of innocent people and the finality of the death sentence. But I'm not sure how the death sentence, which ends existence can itsef be considered more cruel than life in a cage. When you're dead, you're dead.
In my experience, and this is only true to a degree, the more well off someone is the more likely they are to say they would prefer the death penalty in the hypothetical scenario of a life vs death sentence.
I am primarily a visual thinker, and it would be incredibly cruel for me to lose my eyes. I prefer to look at paintings or models than going to a concert even though my over all personality is more "punk rockish" than " intellectual" because psychologically I like looking at things more than hearing things. I would choose to lose my hearing over being blind in a heartbeat.
But it would still be preferable, when actually faced with the choice, to survive blind than to die.

The closer you get to facing that choice, the more many would realize a terrible existence is still preferable to death, and not the same thing. You only get one life. It's a lot like saying would you rather live with your legs chopped or just kill yourself. Most people without legs still find life worth living.

Having said that , I'm basically against life sentences on grounds and ideas similar to the ones proposed here.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/re...ison-sentence/
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09-06-2023 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
In what sense is it less cruel? If living the rest of your life in a cell is considered a form of punishment, with some level of cruelty attached to it, isn't death the end of punishment?

I understand issues with the execution of innocent people and the finality of the death sentence. But I'm not sure how the death sentence, which ends existence can itsef be considered more cruel than life in a cage. When you're dead, you're dead.
death row inmates seem to fight pretty hard legally to not be killed, so it seems they think dying is worse.
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09-06-2023 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
In my experience, and this is only true to a degree, the more well off someone is the more likely they are to say they would prefer the death penalty in the hypothetical scenario of a life vs death sentence.
I am primarily a visual thinker, and it would be incredibly cruel for me to lose my eyes. I prefer to look at paintings or models than going to a concert even though my over all personality is more "punk rockish" than " intellectual" because psychologically I like looking at things more than hearing things. I would choose to lose my hearing over being blind in a heartbeat.
But it would still be preferable, when actually faced with the choice, to survive blind than to die.

The closer you get to facing that choice, the more many would realize a terrible existence is still preferable to death, and not the same thing. You only get one life. It's a lot like saying would you rather live with your legs chopped or just kill yourself. Most people without legs still find life worth living.

Having said that , I'm basically against life sentences on grounds and ideas similar to the ones proposed here.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/re...ison-sentence/
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death row inmates seem to fight pretty hard legally to not be killed, so it seems they think dying is worse.
I wasnt addressing whether a inmate prefered life or death, or if one was considered better or worse. I was simply addressing the use of the term cruel. Creulty is the infliction of pain or suffering. When you're dead you feel neither. So I can see how one might choose to live in a cell vs being put to death. But imo that doesnt make the death sentence more cruel than life in prison since any pain or suffering ends upon death for the inmate.
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09-06-2023 , 05:44 PM
Not only should the death penalty be enforced in all 50 states, but the guilty party should be put to death within a week. The fact that the current system allows them to live on death row for 20-30yrs after they are sentenced is an absolute joke.
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09-06-2023 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
Not only should the death penalty be enforced in all 50 states, but the guilty party should be put to death within a week. The fact that the current system allows them to live on death row for 20-30yrs after they are sentenced is an absolute joke.
Nonsense. Who should be executed when the person who the penalty is applied is proven innocent? We all end up with no eyes. Life in prison is much harsher than death.
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09-06-2023 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
Not only should the death penalty be enforced in all 50 states, but the guilty party should be put to death within a week.
Why wait that long? Save money and do it right there in the courtroom! If they can't figure out it's a wrongful conviction by the time they get the chair set up, too bad so sad, amirite?
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09-06-2023 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Why wait that long? Save money and do it right there in the courtroom! If they can't figure out it's a wrongful conviction by the time they get the chair set up, too bad so sad, amirite?

That’s fine with me. Hang them the next day like they used to do.
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09-06-2023 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
That’s fine with me. Hang them the next day like they used to do.


"I couldn't possible work him in until Monday, sir"
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09-06-2023 , 08:42 PM
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Why wait that long? Save money and do it right there in the courtroom! If they can't figure out it's a wrongful conviction by the time they get the chair set up, too bad so sad, amirite?
Or save even more money and just kneel on their neck at the scene of the crime
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09-06-2023 , 08:47 PM
We could just kill everyone because we're all potential criminals. Why wait until the crime occurs?
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09-06-2023 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I think the punishment for murder should be 7 years in prison but we should have nicer prisons.
I assume this means we operate on a sliding scale, and murder is near the end of that scale, yes?

I'm curious what this does to prison sentences for lesser offenses like armed robbery or sexual assault.
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09-06-2023 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I think the punishment for murder should be 7 years in prison but we should have nicer prisons.
Seems like that would encourage an awful lot of homeless people (and possibly others) to commit murder.
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09-06-2023 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
First and foremost, we should seek policies that reduce suffering as much as possible, not exacerbate it.

Second, you're wrong. Life in prison is a less cruel sentence than the death penalty.
I would definitely prefer execution, even if i were innocent.

Your proposal would almost certainly increase suffering, and by innocent people.
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