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05-13-2024 , 07:48 AM

#101

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Originally Posted by Luciom

If this was true, people would be fleeing the USA , instead they risk their lives to reach it.

Not really. Haven't you seen Hunger Games?

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05-13-2024 , 10:46 AM

#102

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Originally Posted by Luciom

As any country or group the democratically elected government defines so

So America has no enemies. Got it

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05-13-2024 , 12:02 PM

#103

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

So America has no enemies. Got it

eh?

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05-13-2024 , 12:56 PM

#104

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Originally Posted by Luciom

eh?

I mean youre just making things up so why not go with it

in the USA (which is what countries legal system we were discussing) treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with, did you know that?

And since the US hasnt been at war with anyone since ww2 or maybe korea, nobody can be charged with treason.

Did you know that?

If yes, why did you waste our time with this

if not, why are you making posts about words you dont even know the definitions of?

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05-13-2024 , 01:07 PM

#105

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

I mean youre just making things up so why not go with it

in the USA (which is what countries legal system we were discussing) treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with, did you know that?

And since the US hasnt been at war with anyone since ww2 or maybe korea, nobody can be charged with treason.

Did you know that?

If yes, why did you waste our time with this

if not, why are you making posts about words you dont even know the definitions of?

...Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again...are you even aware of recent history? You have to be trolling here.

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05-13-2024 , 01:23 PM

#106

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

in the USA (which is what countries legal system we were discussing) treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with,

This is untrue.

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05-13-2024 , 01:39 PM

#107

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Originally Posted by Didace

This is untrue.

I think he's largely correct as far as I can tell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States

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In the United States, there are both federal and state laws prohibiting treason.[1] Treason is defined on the federal level in Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution as "only in levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Most state constitutions include similar definitions of treason, specifically limited to levying war against the state, "adhering to the enemies" of the state, or aiding the enemies of the state, and requiring two witnesses or a confession in open court.[2] Fewer than 30 people have ever been charged with treason under these laws.[3]

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05-13-2024 , 01:52 PM

#108

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"only in levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

That's quite different than "treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with", especially when he then states that the US hasn't been at war since WW2.

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05-13-2024 , 02:33 PM

#109

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Originally Posted by Didace

That's quite different than "treason is defined as helping someone the US is at war with", especially when he then states that the US hasn't been at war since WW2.

I don't see what's incorrect about that. Note that we haven't tried anyone for treason since WWII, probably for the reason he's suggesting.

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05-13-2024 , 02:40 PM

#110

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The key difference - to me at least - is that it does not depend on if the US has declared war or is actively pursuing a military action. It depends on what others are doing, either active war or just being an enemy.

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05-13-2024 , 02:52 PM

#111

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Originally Posted by Didace

But I think that's correct, whether or not you will be charged with treason depends very much on whether the US is in a declared war. Which is why even guys who have joined the Taliban haven't been hit with formal treason charges.

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05-13-2024 , 03:16 PM

#112

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It may be a distinction without a difference, but a charging decision is not the same how a crime is defined.

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05-13-2024 , 03:16 PM

#113

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1. What the hell is this thread lol
2. I guess luciom has spread

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05-13-2024 , 04:03 PM

#114

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

...Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again...are you even aware of recent history? You have to be trolling here.

I honestly am not surprised that you’re not smart enough to A) know your history, or B) recognize when someone knows more than you

Or C) fact check things yourself

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05-13-2024 , 04:06 PM

#115

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Originally Posted by Didace

It may be a distinction without a difference, but a charging decision is not the same how a crime is defined.

You can’t commit treason unless you’re helping an enemy of the US. Enemies are defined as countries we are at war with.

War takes a declaration of congress

What other basic definitions do you guys need

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05-13-2024 , 04:20 PM

#116

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

I honestly am not surprised that you’re not smart enough to A) know your history, or B) recognize when someone knows more than you

Or C) fact check things yourself

Gosh. Maybe I've been reading history from an alternate dimension so, where there was in fact a war in Vietnam involving America and living in a parallel universe where America went to war with and invaded Iraq. Thanks for clearing that up.

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05-13-2024 , 04:25 PM

#117

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

None of those were legally declared wars.

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05-13-2024 , 04:30 PM

#118

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

You do realize there’s an easy way to correct this.

And we can even bet on it

Wanna do that?

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05-13-2024 , 04:46 PM

#119

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

None of those were legally declared wars.

Ah. They must have been "special military operations" so, TrollyMcPutin.
Irrelevant if they weren't legally declared, they were still effin wars.

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

You do realize there’s an easy way to correct this.

And we can even bet on it

Wanna do that?

A) I don't make bets
B) Even if I did you've tried to weasel outa lost bets before so no thanks.

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05-13-2024 , 04:48 PM

#120

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No I didn’t. I clearly said I wanted to bet on a military test to beat my results on that same test. Someone from outside the US decided that an online version would be sufficient. I said that was not the same but I would do it anyway

That is not a weasel lmao

Keep up the lies

If they weren’t wars then nobody could commit treason. Do you understand that

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05-13-2024 , 04:57 PM

#121

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You can’t commit treason unless you’re helping an enemy of the US. Enemies are defined as countries we are at war with.

Cite, please.

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05-13-2024 , 04:59 PM

#122

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Originally Posted by Didace

Cite, please.

No ty do your own education. Gets tiring having to prove you guys wrong five times a day and then argue about it. Open Wikipedia and look up US treason laws

Like don’t you read the news enough to know? They clearly went over all the laws during 2013 and onward.

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05-13-2024 , 06:03 PM

#123

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Originally Posted by Didace

Cite, please.

The burden of proof is really on you at this point.

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05-13-2024 , 06:56 PM

#124

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This can cause a lot of grief to the left one day.

Firstly 'aid and comfort' - more or less anything could be covered by that

'at war with' - could be considered legally different to 'legally at war with'

maybe the courts side with the defendent but a) were talking abouth the usa and b) it's far too late when if ever it reaches a court decision