So even weed is not as harmless as you might think. She is talking about personal experiences.

Yeah I stopped weed because it gave me extreme paranoia / panic attacks. It didn't in my late teens but at some point in my early 20s it was like a switch flipped. Also have a brother who started smoking early and is likely has undiagnosed schizo or something similar. Not saying weed caused it but there seems to be some evidence that starting early can lead to problems if you are genetically predisposed.

Also have friends who smoke daily with no problems.

Yeah me too it gave me that. I don't even know why I keep doing it. There must be something to this and I'm trying to get behind it.(to understand it, I have some ideas on it But not completely figured it out) There are more and more recorded cases through the usr of thc. I know of one girl I knew that smoked once and went crazy after it! I heard this over and over, there are people that can handle it and some that cannot. That's all bs imo. If I look around me and look at potheads from my prior circles, their lifes are all a mess. Also in the poker world there are many examples.(just look at my op)

You could try if you get something out of this video or if some of the traits apply to you brother. (Its a stanford lecture from their channel) There are many more resources out on the internet, but if you want to learn on YouTube I suggest this guy, and Dr. Todd Grande. (Look for worst personality disorders etc on his channel)

Haven't gotten to the part on schizophrenia but the discussion on languages (pigeon to creole and a universal grammar) is incredibly interesting.

Just finished the rest of the video. Was really interesting. Both the subject and the speaker.

Thats awesome that you liked the guy. Sorry for late reply didnt know what to add this far.

Yeah many people qualify for a lot, me including. I read so many diagnosis that I felt some sound fitting and then again not entirely. There are misdiagnosis too, f.e. Autism/Asbergers can get mistaken for narcissists etc.



Have you checked this guy Wim Hoff? This guy showed the science world that they are idiots basically. He did stuff that was thought not to be humanly possible, like climbing mount everest in shorts, lol. His backstory is interesting. He is mad at the medial/science world, for not having the right treatments. We are not getting right treatments because right treatments dont cost too much money, or rather money is bringing a conflict of interest into the whole equasion of medicine. Thats what got the guy started. His wife commited suicide and was diagnosed with depression etc. What they did is pump her full of pills that he says only made it worse. He says natural ways of healing are depressed from the modern medicine. Of course he is right. With natural medicine there is no money to be made. A sick patient is bringing in money, a healty one is not. a Bad business model that is and prone to money grabs and scams.

So due to weed having been a drug and not a controlled substance, they couldn't research it. This is an interesting video for all the weed and thc consumers.

The problems with edibles are that they are hard to dose. My friend in VI got gummies that he threw away because he had so bad green fever (hangover) from it. He says the governor is about to ban weed again. These gummies are freely sold. He took two and was super messed up. He says a kid ate some and went to the ER in virginia. He says if a kid eats the whole bag of gummies it dies.

The video talks about weed and it's effects on the heart which is getting now researched. In.germany many people died of thc overdosing. So much for thc doesn't kill nobody. They had weed with 2% thc in the 60 and 70s now it's at 20-90% thc. This is due to pampering with the plants and modern science. They increased the THC % even added synthetic THC in some cases which is super dangerous and people died here already.




Here is a short paper about THC and the heart. Don't take it of you have a heart condition. It gets even dangerous for people with no condition. ( the combination with tobacco is especially bad for the heart according yo the video)

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart...u-need-to-know

Your friend doesn't know what they're talking about. The amount of THC you'd have to ingest to have the possibility of dying is absurd. For an average adult it's around 53 GRAMS at the lowest estimate. The average edible is something like 10-15 MILLIGRAMS. If you imagine a child could be killed by half that dose, that is still well over a thousand thc gummies. No one is dying purely from THC overdoses anywhere. Not in Germany, not anywhere. Edibles are only difficult to dose because of lack of regulation regarding consistency and it often being a novel experience for many. It's not inherently more difficult to dose than alcohol. I am sure cannabis is not harmless and there may be merit to the heart concerns but it doesn't seem conclusive at the moment. Regardless, it is far less harmful than other legal drugs. It should be legalized and regulated because that is the only way to make it as safe as possible for people who are going to use it whether it's legal or not.

Ok, what I said wasn't super accurate. Nobody died of THC overdose or did they? https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/arti...eten-kann.html

Put this into Google translator and you will see you're wrong. Everything I read was in German. So you have to give me some time.

While you are partially right that it's somewhat hard to overdose on THC you seem to have little to zero clue what THC actually does or what it can do.

Let me tell you a little something. There is little research done. We are just scratching the surface now. People have died I will bring you sources. I read about 10 overdoses of synthetic THC (directly linked death) within the last 2 years alone for Germany. Directly linked to synthetic cannabis . What you can also research directly linked suicides (depression and schizophrenia) to THC consumption. I was smoking for the last at least 8 years on a daily basis, so i should be able to tell you what it does somewhat.

Depression, many, many, suicides, and heart attacks are linked and direct consequences of consumption of THC.
Alone in the poker world I can mame you a few names or you just look at the op itt.

Smoking it has almost the same effect on the heart and lungs as tobacco smoking does. Which is common sense anyways you are burning and inhaling plant matter. What you will hear are heart attacks not overdose.
Secondly I noticed chest pains. THC is increasing your heart rate to abnormal levels until complete heart failure just by overdosing it. I was an athlete before I started smoking, and no tobacco smoking alone would not achieve the same damage to the heart.

Watch the first video or talking to you is senseless now. You just don't have enough information.

The problems with edibles are that you never know what you are taking and at what dosage.
They could put synthetic THC in it which could kill people immediately especially children. The market is not ready for edibles as there are little regulations. You can get those gummies from the store they look like candy. One guys kid found it and ate some. A few! And ended up in the ER. What do you think a whole bag could result in. I have no doubt in my mind that those gummies could kill a kid because I know adults just have died. 10 fatalities in Germany alone and that is recorded cases.

All of this is due to previous banning of this so I agree with you it should be legalized and then carefully observed and regulated. It is not right now. We are at the very beginning.


Here first hit Google. Synthetic cannabis. What do you think they put in these edibles? It's cheap and effective but also deadly. Apparently now a problem not only in Germany.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...annabis-crisis

https://www.bundestag.de/presse/hib/...ldungen-864060

That's straight from our government.

'Todesfälle durch synthetische Cannabinoide'
That means death cases through synthetic cannabinoids, it was 9 death in 2020 and 11 in 2019.

Are you sure you want to stick to your there were no overdoses related death?

Good article I read now.

Clean link, same as above but clean:
‘Watching our mates drop dead’: New Zealand’s synthetic cannabis crisis'


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...annabis-crisis

This doesn't indicate an overdose... An overdose would require them having to take a large quantity of THC, not smoking a couple joints. A couple anecdotal accounts of people having died from cardiac arrest after consuming cannabis at less than lethal levels doesn't make consuming cannabis anymore inherently dangerous than playing soccer.


Synthetic cannabis like spice/k2 is not cannabis. You're talking about two different drugs and **** that's produced god knows where with no regulations at all.

I am sure that people with mental health problems have had worse outcomes due to cannabis consumption, there's also evidence of the opposite. Regardless, this is again not overdosing.

Yeah, inhaling smoke is bad for you, duh. THC at normal levels will increase your heart rate. Drinking coffee will as well.




All of this is a regulation problem and not something inherent to THC. Legalize, regulate it, and the problems of inconsistent dosing go away. Again, like I said, I am sure more research will reveal more risks of cannabis consumption but it remains nearly impossible to overdose on.

Yeah, this **** is not cannabis. It's different chemicals developed in a lab. Not the same thing.

Well it got sold to the victims as cannabis. You cannot tell the difference. Especially in edibles. You get it on the streets of Berlin and in South Germany, also in the Netherlands and in Poland and whole Europe. Apparently also in the United States and new Zealand. So I would guess it's a world wide problem. They spray it on weed and put it into edibles etc.

Watch the first video and you know why it's super easy to overdose now. They put way to high concentrations of the active substance in it. That includes weed and edibles. It can be as high as 90% THC. We will hear about a lot of problems and you will think of me in 5 years at the max. You're welcome

By the way I bring you death cases of natural THC when I have time later. One is already in a link in German. I passed out twice in my life from good weed and know people that got seriously damaged. I know what I'm talking about here I think.

Again, irrelevant. It's not cannabis.



90% THC is meaningless. Mg is what matters, not purity, in terms of overdose potential.



Being a stoner is no qualification. You have demonstrated you don't have a clue about what you're saying, sorry.

Alright what is then? You seem to be totally clueless and I have researched it for 8 years. Lol don't know what to say to you. Are you super stoned??

Strike one:

http://www.newsweek.com/thc-overdose...442742%3famp=1

I don't want talk so bad about THC, just want to educate about the possible dangers. Every substance in moderation can be ok I think, but you can also die from it. Even salt or sugar in too large quanitities. With weed it's more likely that you do dumb **** that gets you into trouble. It also makes you lazy or insane.

More on recorded death due to overdoses:

https://www.transformationstreatment...rom-marijuana/

Maybe read this too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425742/


And you have to consider that synthetic cannabis IS in edibles. I think I can't put it in any simpler form in case you are stoned now. Which makes most of your arguing above completely senseless. What are you arguing about? That edibles aren't cannabis now? C'mon!

Again watch the video. In the 60s and 70s weed contained 2% THC, now up to 90%. 2%<<<<90% Thats very meaningful my friend, very. Watch the vid.

Watch this video:

GG

I find stories like this amazing.

I have always believed one of the challenges of modern medicine and society is that we take an adversary position against most things that would fall into the areas of natural medicine or traditional nature based medicine.

I feel we have mostly lost millions of years of knowledge and techniques that evolved in a very short period of time when almost everything that was not proven in a lab was demonized as wrong and the practitioners ostracised or jailed.

And certainly I understand that there was/is a large amount of quackery imbedded within, along with honest but mistaken correlations but that does not mean that there was not a lot of proven techniques.

I am a person who believes our minds, and mindset are one of the most integral parts of good health and we can control aspects much more than we do instead of relying on or defaulting to medical science to fix things after the fact.

I believe humans have the ability to control stress, control anxiety, control sleep and so many factors in ways to degrees we do not, that will impact positively our physical and mental health.

I believe the prior path of trying to get people to focus on the future, and on solutions and positive outcomes, as a path to healing and positivity has been pushed out today by views of re-examining, agonizing over and dissecting each and every wrong that happens to a person in a way that often has them trapped in their anxieties and caught in spirals of depression.


while we can never speak for everyone I do believe todays models of what I will call 'victim embracing' overall causes far more problems and issues than it helps.

Human beings commit suicide. It's tangentially related to addictions. The underlying problem is self-alienation, emptiness, impoverishment of spirit, disowned pain, toxic shame, horrendous self-concepts. Little doubt why we have the impulse to escape those very unpleasant things, including the ultimate escape -- suicide -- but it's a real turning point when we turn toward it instead of away from it. No longer then, is life and consciousness a haunted running from our internal reality.

This is a really big box to tick in favour of the skeptics.

Washoe is going to Washoe when he reads this.

I for one, while acknowledging a tiny percent of the populace almost certainly needs med's, have always been in the camp they are way over proscribed to people who are getting some symptom relief, but the meds do NOTHING to address their core issues which are not due to chemical imbalances requiring med's. I would never speak to anyone specific conditions but as a general statement I am comfortable in my belief while also acknowledging it is just a belief. Just another part of society of being over medicated for anything and everything (such as young boys and ritalin) because the research is always skewed towards 'always medicate', based on what Big Pharma pays for.




Little evidence that chemical imbalance causes depression, UCL scientists find
Researchers question use of antidepressants, prescribed to one in six UK adults

Scientists have called into question the widespread use of antidepressants after a major review found “no clear evidence” that low serotonin levels are responsible for depression.

Prescriptions for antidepressants have risen dramatically since the 1990s, with one in six adults and 2% of teenagers in England now being prescribed them. Millions more people around the world regularly use antidepressants.

“Many people take antidepressants because they have been led to believe their depression has a biochemical cause, but this new research suggests this belief is not grounded in evidence,”...

“It is always difficult to prove a negative, but I think we can safely say that after a vast amount of research conducted over several decades, there is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin.

“Thousands of people suffer from side-effects of antidepressants, including the severe withdrawal effects that can occur when people try to stop them, yet prescription rates continue to rise. We believe this situation has been driven partly by the false belief that depression is due to a chemical imbalance. It is high time to inform the public that this belief is not grounded in science.”

The new review of existing studies found that depression is not likely to be caused by a chemical imbalance and said people should be made aware of other options for treating it.

However, other experts, including from the Royal College of Psychiatrists, questioned the findings and urged people not to stop taking their medication in light of the study, arguing that antidepressants remained effective.

In the new analysis, researchers said 85% to 90% of the public believed depression was caused by low serotonin or a chemical imbalance.

Most antidepressants are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), originally said to work by correcting abnormally low serotonin levels.

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The review, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, looked at studies examining serotonin and depression involving tens of thousands of people. One of the findings was that research comparing levels of serotonin and its breakdown products in the blood or brain fluids did not discover any difference between people diagnosed with depression and healthy people.

The authors also looked at studies where serotonin levels were artificially lowered in hundreds of people and concluded that lowering serotonin in this way did not produce depression in hundreds of healthy volunteers.

“Our view is that patients should not be told that depression is caused by low serotonin or by a chemical imbalance, and they should not be led to believe that antidepressants work by targeting these unproven abnormalities,” said Moncrieff.

“We do not understand what antidepressants are doing to the brain exactly, and giving people this sort of misinformation prevents them from making an informed decision about whether to take antidepressants or not.”

A spokesperson for the Royal College of Psychiatrists said: “Antidepressants are an effective, Nice-recommended treatment for depression that can also be prescribed for a range of physical and mental health conditions. We would not recommend for anyone to stop taking their antidepressants based on this review, and encourage anyone with concerns about their medication to contact their GP.”...

Geezus, i went looking for this as that article rang a bell for me with regards to this old Tom Cruise interview and his skepticism which I thought was just nutty Scientology at the time.

Tom could appear sage like if the above proves to be more true than not. He spoke with such certainty that he understands these conditions and the psychiatry profession and while i know the reflex her will be to mock him anyway (as I did prior), you are mocking him for getting so much right, while saying 'doesn't matter'.



(inb4 'we are giving any acknowledgement to the guy who thinks we can hook up people to have their thetans measured to see if they can progress up a level in Scientology'.)

The Scientology stuff might be silly, but Cruise isn't wrong on this one. Everyone wants a magic pill. It's a story that is easy to sell.