If the new standard is to remove politicians for being self-absorbed douchebags then we are going to be here a while.

People thought he did well because they were hiding his mismanagement. They didn't want to use Trumps boat so he forced people to die. He won an emmy for his leadership abilities. Why is that? Because he was part of the establishment aimed to dethrone Trump.

argue with someone who gets all his talking points from mainstream media lol yeah ok

just wait another year and we will know who was correct

people like you only change their minds when their idols change their tune

it doesn't matter how much evidence is given because you already have your conclusion figured out before the discussion even begins

a lot of doctors are already changing their tune and more people agree that lockdowns were ******ed

stuff like this takes and will eventually be shown to be one of the biggest mistakes mankind has ever done

There is an article in the NYT today that makes exactly the point I was making.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/u...gtype=Homepage

I suppose this simple answer is the best answer.

I just struggle with the idea that certain people have no ability to recognize personal danger and adapt no matter how much it is put in their face.

Like I said, it is possible the very next male to take Cuomo's office, follows in exactly the same footprints, commits all the same abuses, and blows up similarly all the while thinking 'I'm good. It can't happen to me.'

But man, that is a crazy pathology.

lol. That is pretty ripe coming from you, one of the leading voices of the 'let it rip', 'let the old people die' crowd from the BFI.

No it was not and is not a mistake to use toggling of shut downs or ramping up and down restrictions as a way to slow death. Especially in the first wave when there was genuine threat of HealthCare systems collapsing and exponentially more death if that happened.

The data shows that places that did 'let it rip' ended up with one thing only and that is more death. Their GDP or economies did no better despite being open because 'surprise' having mass death in the community also impacts people doing business.

So you end up with more death and yet no benefits.


For those who want to see lvr's completely cold reply to my calling out the fact that people in that forum were simply sugar coating their singular message of 'let the oldies die' see what lvr (and TIen) replied to my point with below.

hero cuomo! free cuomo! hope he runs for prez in 2024

The dame should have recorded him with his "I have big hands and I'm lonely" rap. If that isn't legal without consent of the other party in New York, she could have asked him in front of many others in the office, "Is it okay if I record our personal interactions, Governor?" The perv would have froze, with seemingly no winning reply at least available to his dumb arse. Then she would have been banished from the office and the party as he took his revenge probably. The one thing this guy can't take is disgrace.

But there is a middle category between a decision done with malice (eg the George Washington Bridge scenario) and a decision that was merely bad judgement. Namely a decision that figures to result in the highest personal EV result for the decision maker, but not for the people he is making a decision about. If that was what caused Cuomo to make a decision that he knew, on average, would cause more deaths, because he calculated it was less likely to come back and bite him than the alternative decision, the "without malice" aspect to it is irrelevant.

Sure, but I don't think that middle ground between malice and bad judgment is a very likely explanation for his initial decision to return people to nursing homes.

I read some stuff that suggested otherwise.

Yeah, I voted for the guy, gave him money and met him briefly. Even before all this I can say I didn't really like the guy. I got the feeling people way more involved with him also felt the same way.

What people don't get is that successful, unattractive older men actually do realize they are taking a chance. But they think they have a shot at achieving a goal that the typical unattractive older man has long ago made peace with the idea that such a goal is unattainable (and thus have forgotten how much they once wanted that goal themselves). And they think their best shot is to hone in on someone they work with. But they do know they are the underdog. They don't feel "entitled". Just hopeful. Their mistake is shooting at women who are good at what they do and are insulted that they are not appreciated for their skills rather than their looks.

It wouldn't surprise me if a large part of Cuomo's present distress is caused not by the trouble he is in but rather by the realization that none of those women were interested in him.

So successful, unattractive older men often fail to grow up ?

What’s crazy to you is just how it was for like all recorded history up until like 20-30 years ago. I’d say the majority of men over 40 have made no changes to their actions whatsoever because of metoo other than to make some sarcastic jokes about it and talk with their friends about how unfair it is. It’s just ingrained behavior that takes some kind of personally significant event to alter, and most people won’t experience that.

I mean Cuomo worked for Clinton. If he didn’t learn anything from that what would it take?

I wonder 'David' how much 'hopefulness' plays in to it. The idea these lesser attractive men are 'hopeful' that with their power and money they are more appealing and thus this will end ok.

And it is not an unsympathetic position men find them in (even though few will sympathise) because the reality is most (i think that is still true) relationships start in the office. And I think anyone who has worked in big offices knows that as long as the female is in to it and finds the guy attractive it is ok and proper to do, but if she does not, it can be creepy and offside and fireable.

Men are often left to try and sort out that line and some just seem oblivious. I know of several attractive CEO's who have married staffers and we know 'attractive' exists on a scale of 'looks-power-money' for most men.

I don't say the above to excuse the bullies or abusive, but to identify there is a category of 'clueless' in there too. I also understand women can be in power too.

again my above is more a general comment than to Cuomo situation specifically.

@GTO fair points. But the Clinton situation was different. His 'victim' was not looking to out and blame him. The lesson Cuomo would have learned there would be to never leave a DNA stained dress.

Yeah, when they first started cracking down of drinking and driving I remember reading articles that said they were mostly arresting older guys. It takes time for the social norms to change.

Cuomo isn't changing.

People do thing for multiple reasons, but I don't think entitlement or hopefulness is the best word to describe the behavior. Famous and influential people mostly live in a world in which there are no consequences for boorish behavior. Like many influential people before him, Cuomo has grown accustomed to doing exactly what he wants, without any regard for others. He may not feel entitled to make women feel uncomfortable. He may not feel especially hopeful that women will find his behavior irresistible. It may be more simple. He may be an ******* who has gotten away with bad behavior for decades because he was in a position of influence.

I agree with cuepee that, at this point, the risk of terrible behavior should be very obvious to people like Cuomo. But it's easy to think that you are invulnerable if you've always been invulnerable. And a lot of the accusations against Cuomo relate to behavior that predated #metoo.

There's got to be a police your brass joke in there somewhere

I think this is a pretty fair take. Cuomo knows he's old, knows he has little chance with a much younger, attractive woman. But he thinks, "hey, I'm the governor and I'm famous... you never know. May as well throw out some relatively harmless (in his mind) innuendo and see how she responds."

There is also the alternate possibility, which is that many older men are narcissists who don't realize a younger woman - no matter how much she laughs at his jokes, or respects his accomplishments - thinks the idea of sex with them is gross. They are often clueless as to how old and ridiculous they are.

Think you're off base here. The idea of the office as a likely place to find romance is almost over if not completely dead. Just way too much to lose in this climate. It's kind of a shame honestly. Obviously Mad Men-era harassment was never OK, but many long and happy marriages began with 2 people getting to know each other through work. It's how I met my wife over 20 years ago in fact. But I think those days are pretty much over.

Did Cuomo make those decisions based on his own political interest?



According the standard set by you guys, this is an impeachment level offense.

idk, i'd say cuomo at least a 6

If the story is true (I have no reason to suspect it isn't), I'd say he should be impeached if he does not resign.

Per a NY Times article from march 11, Democrats have also started an impeachment inquiry into Cuomo. I have no idea how likely such a process is to lead to impeachment in the NY state political landscape.

lol that's one of the weirdest takes I've ever heard on these forums

Cuomo is one of the most successful people in the US and is definitely not ugly(just old). You think someone like that considers himself ugly?

then you have the nerd squad agreeing with that absurd take what a time to be alive

WTF are you talking about. He's old. This makes him unattractive to 25 year olds. I'm sure many 63yo women find him quite attractive but that's not who he's hitting on.