For about a New York minute I was impressed with Cuomo's apparent dealing with the pandemic and his rallying the city against it. Quickly his strange, blatant, even creepy and bizarre, way of talking down to others ... and his total inability to grasp that he is doing it changed him into a bad guy of the pandemic. It reeks of the worst kind of ego, and nothing is more obvious for this reason that he will resist all efforts at removing him from his ultra privileged view of his position in life. His banter with his brother on Cuomo Prime Time even before it was apparent what was happening behind the scenes was semi nauseating. Now it's just disgusting. I don't know how bad this gets before it goes away. The dude is all-in on his greatness almost as much as Trump.

This is going to be one of the most dramatic instances of someone refusing to step down. The reason for such intransigence is not always the same. The celebrated case of Nixon was not so much about privilege and status but neurosis. This guy here is not clinging to power out of weakness and insecurity, but out of and "I'm Andrew Cuomo and you're not" type attitude.

Why did they think he managed well? He put people with COVID into nursing homes. How many died because of that decision (when we knew from Italy that elderly were being hit hard by this virus)

He also gets to join the ranks of other pompous and hypocritical ny politicians like Eliot sptizer and Anthony weiner.

Also, six allegations...I love this from his own website

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...polygraph-test

whitmer goat

What is worse he called for Cavanaugh to take a polygraph yet no calls from the media for that.
Kamella Harris was so critical of Kavanuagh and not a peep out of her on this .

The man is responsible for so many seniors deaths and a pervert as well.

Im sure The Trump did it also folks will pipe in

I dunno I am no fan of Cuomo, obviously was inappropriate with work subordinates, and his handling of Covid is open to debate obv. But the timing of all these allegations seems convenient. It's obvious he's a jerk but asking someone if they would ever date an older man, or joking about playing strip poker, is not grounds for removal from office.

Now of course if he really groped the woman as is claimed in the most recent allegations,, that's a totally different story. But it seems convenient that it happens to come out now, when he is politically weak and his political enemies see a chance to take him out.

Trump. It's easy to look good in comparison to how Trump managed Covid in the early days. Or any days, really.

When exactly would a non-convenient time for sexual assault allegations be?

up to 7 as of today

You are deranged if you believe this. Cuomo forced covid positive patients into nursing homes leading to an excess of at least 8k deaths. This is the minimum amount since he is refusing to release the data. He even changed the way deaths were counted to make it look better. This is the epitome of evil.

Then another Trump hater in Whitmer will also be charged for the same thing. Changing the laws so nursing homes can not legally refuse covid positive patients. Then her "kidnapping" witness being charged for a crime as well while being a paid informant.

Funny how all these Democrats are getting charged for crimes after he loses the election. Doing whatever it takes just to get the orange man out.

People like you are hilarious. Trump did what the data now is showing should have been done from the start.

Cuomo's decision to return COVID patients to nursing homes was a terrible decision. But it was a real time decision that I'm sure was done without malice. In short, it was judgment call that appears with the benefit of hindsight to have been very wrong. Politicians can and should be held accountable in elections for good faith errors in judgment. But we don't normally demand that politicians resign because of those errors, however extreme those errors might have been. (The delay in reporting is a different issue. If the evidence supports that Cuomo personally directed that the reporting be slowwalked because he wanted to deceive the public, that might well be grounds for resignation.)

I am not going to defend Cuomo's conduct with women. He apparently behaves around women in a way that I do not and would not behave. His behavior with women might well be legitimate grounds for resignation. But I'm unconvinced that he is going down because his behavior with women was much, much worse that the average 60-year male politician's behavior with women. That's not a defense. It's just an observation of fact. If Cuomo were a nice guy, I suspect that a lot of these women would not have come forward. Many (not all, but many) would have rolled their eyes and given him the benefit of the doubt.

But Cuomo isn't a nice guy. He is an ******* and an overbearing bully. He lives to exercise power. Most people who know him dislike him. Almost everyone who has dealt with him extensively has been subjected to his abuse and bullying.

As I said before, when you are that sort of person, you leave armies of people in your wake who will happily knife you if the opportunity arises. And you have no defenders in the breach.

cuomo is what we deserve because we're lazy and indifferent and will happily await the stakeholders choose their offspring as replacements with no qualifications other being offspring of former stakeholders

he only looked decent because everyone else is utterly terrible

we have a bountiful supply of hardworking and intelligent people who'd make fantastic leaders but they can't break through the barrier of getting their names on the ballots so we're just given this and then trick ourselves into believing one is better than the other

cuomo was a garbage fire of a governor who bungled everything with covid doing an absolute joke of a job but because he was actually proactive he didn't look as trash of others we had to compare him to

Did Cuomo also not take big campaign donations from these nursing homes than pass a law that they can not be sued?

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/20/96970...19-death-suits

I am honestly at a loss with regards to Cuomo and men like him and these allegations.

I can fully understand how and why men abused their power in the past, in many cases, with regards to females who work directly with them or who want access to them in some way as a furtherance of their career.

I think a somewhat natural, but undesirable, dynamic where many women would use their power (beauty) to try and get career benefits from men and men taking advantage of what they saw being teased or offered, lead to many abuses, on both sides.

The #meetoo era separated out the men mainly for punishment for those past transgressions. It sought to bring some balance to the the power imbalance but in many ways shifted the power mainly to the women. (i know men can also #metoo women and other men but that is largely meaningless here)

Post the bulk of #metoo allegations/firings any man in power with an ounce of a brain should see this as an absolute no go area. It should be abundantly clear that even if in fact you meant well (as Cuomo claims, believe him or not, and I do not) you will be hung if the female has a differing take on your actions. Meaning even an honest difference of opinion can get you hung.

How are men so stupid this far into this? Just take your money and power and go hunt for women elsewhere outside the work network. They will come to you.

I really do struggle to understand men who rise to these levels giving away all their power like this. Cuomo saw so many before him fall and yet he still went there. Right now there are other powerful men watching Cuomo fall and they are going there, perhaps even as they watch Cuomo falling.

There is something hopelessly pathological in some men that despite 100 roads signs in their path saying 'this can end you' they go forward anyway.

It is a shocking weakness and exploit.

Cuepee,

In a weird way, I think Cuomo approaches his interactions with women and men with more or less the same mindset. If he thinks that he has leverage or influence, his go-to move is to use that leverage or influence to get what he wants. The mindset sometimes manifests itself differently with women than with men because sometimes he wants something different from the women than he wants from the men. But the general approach is the same.

It's more that this type of harassment is very common, but when it comes to public figures we actually hear about it.

1 in 5 women and 1 in 38 men have experienced rape, sexual harassment numbers fluctuate based on definitions, but I've seen more loosely defined ones often go up to about 90% for women and 40% for men.

I don't disagree but even accepting that cannot he not see and recognize the danger, in this point of time, that presents to him?

It is almost like you are saying 'he is trapped by his nature and cannot adapt to new inputs'.

I am sure there is a another Governor (person in power) with a very similar nature to Cuomo who is watching this unfold in real time and thinking 'ya he got caught... busted', and yet we are saying they simply cannot stop themselves??? They are trapped by their nature.

And my questions are mostly rhetorical here as I know, despite this, we will see another and another and another, fall in the exact same way.

I guess it is just the law of really large numbers at play. A percent of men, will be oblivious, regardless of how bright the flashlight is shined in their face, and will continue to do these things that in hindsight they must think 'how could I have been so stupid, in this one area'.

I've been in positions of relative power in my work career where we had a parade of beautiful young women working in our offices many of whom hit on and were happy to chase relationships with the Founders of the tech companies we created and those who managed them. Even at a young age, pre #meetoo I had that as an absolute 'no go' area as I saw it as fraught with risk when I could meet girls outside the work environment easily enough.

"Trapped by his nature" makes it sound like I don't think Cuomo is responsible for his behavior. I don't think that at all. If I habitually beat my wife, it would be no excuse to say that it was in my "nature" to beat my wife.

I don't think it is just large numbers. For a long time, Cuomo has gotten away with abusive behavior because he was in a position of power. I'm sure he has become accustomed to the benefits of playing by a different set of rules than the rules that apply to the average Joe.

Don't take any of my comments as being specific to you as i don't really disagree with what you say I am mainly expressing my exasperation to any rationalization to this despite the fact I can see there must be some, as it keeps happening.

And again this is where my exasperation comes in.

I get what you say entirely.

But then I say to myself 'ok I am that guy. I have got away with this stuff all my life. But at the same time I cannot help but see powerful man after powerful who also thought they were untouchable getting almost taken down or otherwise very challenged by this, NOW. Things have changed'.

it is like these guys have not an ounce of risk mitigation strategy in their bones that says to them 'yes I may continue to get away with it... after all I have so far' versus 'ya every time I do this I increase the risk of blowup'.

It just demonstrates how very dumb some otherwise smart men can be that they cannot recognize the changing and very aggressive landscape around them and instead stick 'well in the past I got away with it, so....'

I mean, if i was Cuomo friend and advisor and aware of his behaviour I would say "give your frikkin head a shake man. Can you not see how the landscape has changed and how terribly at risk you are putting yourself at".

If he replied "don't worry, I have always done this and always got away with it. This is a nothing burger', I would again shake my head and probably call him an idiot and make him watch endless videos of other men who thought similarly.

It is really akin to the person who is panicking and needs to be physically slapped to collect themselves and think rationally. And yet it seems some men can get no end of slaps and yet keep doing the same.

I would not be surprised if while watching Cuomo go down in flames on the news some man who recently got elected into a position of power somewhere is doing the exact same type of thing for the first time and will continue until they too fall.

Cut, paste, repeat, ad infinitum.

Good rant, but your aim is poor. If you look back, I'm answering the question of how people could ever have thought he did well. Back in the spring, many people thought he was doing a great job because they were comparing his pandemic response to Trump's. Whether you agree with it or not, at the time there were a lot of people for whom the comparison would have been very flattering to Cuomo.

LOL, OK. Happy to continue that conversation in a more suitable thread, if you like:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...nings-1767965/

Cuomo has been arrogant and entitled his entire life. He is not suddenly going to change any more than Trump was suddenly going to change who he is.

That's a bingo in my book. Life is about just how vapidly self-important and self-impressed I can become, and maybe New York takes this to a different level.

I agree that we all make off color comments and that isn't near grounds for removal, but the obnoxious part is the massive entitlement to privilege. Pompous is the word.

We’ve seen more than enough to justify removing Cuomo from office.