I can definitely remember black kids back in the day/70s etc trashing other black kids for trying to do well in school fwiw. And the general context was kinda--that's just sucking up to white people. Kinda sucks--but it was a thing.

Here's another one but from one of our asian friends--he helped establish our views on grading(or his parent's version anyway) A-alright B-bad C-cry D-death E--total elimination His parents were cool mom was an incredible artist--but punishment time was no joke and included stuff like on the knees arms outstretched holding heavy books and some other fun stuff

You are the only one talking about genes. Genes aren't the only mode of inheritance.

Deuces is absolutely correct about Obama who was raised by his white mother but most of all his white grandparents going to a leafy white high school in Hawaii. It’s why he talks the way he does.

That’s not disparaging just a recognition he’s not from a black neighborhood. He didn’t grow up in the projects, he commuted to the projects to work after Harvard.

Went to college with a few punahou kids--they were all asian but I hear what you're saying Freshman year one was like 2rooms down from me/he was cool though--his car was a brand new 911 turbo--slantnose Same little group of rooms also had a few andover kids couple exeter&choate northfield etc

This is going to blow your mind, but not all black people live in the projects.

But are those ones really "real" black people?

Ask President Biden.

"If you don't vote for me, you ain't black."

That's not the distinction being made, which historically has been a distinction used among Black people roughly signaling the level of integration of a Black individual into the larger, White dominated society. It's based on a fear of losing group solidarity via that integration process.

To not make a distinction between Black Americans with American slave ancestors and those without is to dismiss arguably the most cruel and destructive action that has ever been committed against a people short of total elimination, that of American slavery (both instances) and Jim Crow. You probably don't do it intentionally, but it's a pretty racist thing to do because, by that, you are denying that slavery and Jim Crow have any lasting effects when the lasting effects are undeniable and pernicious. Black immigrants and Blacks with slave ancestry are two totally different groups of people.

Kamala Harris also doesn't have American slave ancestors and so she also isn't Black in the more meaningful sense of the word, which has a lot to do with why she is vice president. Whites are far more accepting of Blacks signaling non affiliation with ADOS (the acronym for American Descendants of Slaves).

So black people who are successful aren’t “real” black people?

You went with too much troll here. What's happened to you? You always sucked but now you are just like not even trying. What happened to your little neoliberal crew? I took out let'sgambool. Someone else took out your main foil, Ikes, and it seems like the mods have taken out all the other conservatives.

Try harder.

Yeah. Marginalized groups developing/adopting contrarian social norms or deviancies that lead to further marginalization isn't exactly revelatory, to most anyway.

Deuces, you know there was a whole lot of slavery going on in the Caribbean, right?

The slavery in the Caribean was of a totally different character. The work was the same, even harder in many places. However, due in part to the less hospitable conditions (no air conditioners back then) and lack of infrastructure, the Caribbean was more like a place you go, make some money, and then go back to Europe. The rough conditions made it an unattractive place for European women, so there was a lot more open interracial relationships and acknowledgement of the children of interracial relationships, deterring somewhat an official dehumanization of the slaves.

Because of these and other factors (I could point anyone to some good books on this) slavery in the Caribbean was more of a "because we can" thing as oppose to "because you are nothing but a slightly clever non-human animal" thing. This is also a significant distinction between American slavery and many instances of slavery throughout history. Not all enslavement is equal. In America there was an accompanying doctrine about who or what Black people are which proved to be extremely horrible where, in other instances or slavery, there was no need for this.

Ironically, the advancement of liberty and equality in America ended up creating a need to dehumanize Black people in order to reconcile an immovable economic edifice, the cheapest labor possible, with the character of the new country. We needed a way to say *except Blacks while espousing our new egalitarian values. This is why after slavery ended the rationalization for it was so persistent, because it was doctrine concerning the nature of Black people. So the independence movements in America and the Caribbean were totally different.

What in gods name am I reading.

The problem with pretending you believe in freedom when you only believe in money is the same problem the Dems have and why Trump will be drawing live in 2024.

The fact that the US still refuses to deal with it's wicked past is pretty amazing.
We'd all be so much better off is we stepped into the modern era.

I understand it just fine.
He's saying that the justification for slavery in the Caribbean was based more on economic grounds and less on ideas of some sort of God-given right of Europeans to rule.

There was more of an official doctrine, with the attendant racial pseudo science, which said Black people are slaves because of their material constitution, as opposed to justifying slaves under "we conquered you so this is what you get". The latter can just end. The former is another matter.

Trolly you remind of this kid back from my middle school days who started impersonating Beavis from Beavis and Butthead. He did it for so long that he found it hard to stop even as people found it hard to be around him. He eventually left the school, I think because of that. He seemed like a normal kid before all that.

Yeah. The Dems backed themselves into a corner choosing Harris as VP. They can't get rid of her because it will look racist, but she isn't going to beat anybody the repubs run because she has no political talent. It's part of a pattern both parties have of putting minorities in high powered positions whose main focus is to crush the class containing more minorities.

What in the absolute **** is going on in this thread?

Giving up to show that the parrots are now in charge.

My University Sacrificed Ideas for Ideology. So Today I Quit.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/my-...iced-ideas-for

Black people talk like Avon Barksdale unless they went to a "leafy white high school" or grew up in a white household? That's among the most scalding takes I've ever heard in this forum.

But I want to hear more about the cultural adaptations that Deuces has devoted a lot of time to considering. I assume he is willing to elaborate because he is:

I thought you just told us that Harris like Obama was not really black and thus why they could win??

It's why networking with White people goes easier for them, a precondition for conventional success in America. It doesn't mean they are great at what they do. Obama was a phenomenal politician which is why he kicked Yahoo's ass and got the Iran deal as well as beat the Clinton machine. Harris didn't win a single delegate in the primary, despite conditions being made extremely favorable for her, because she absolutely sucks as a politician.

I responded to your earlier request for that. Maybe you overlooked it.

Wait, so is Larry Elder actually black? I'm also wondering about OJ Simpson.