From Ignatiev:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_I...2white_race%22

We do not hate you or anyone else for the color of her skin. What we hate is a system that confers privileges (and burdens) on people because of their color. It is not fair skin that makes people white; it is fair skin in a certain kind of society, one that attaches social importance to skin color. When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category. Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them. In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages. - Noel Ignatiev

Trolly's schtick involves lying and/or defecting. I don't put him Ignore because sometimes he says something funny that I don't want to miss.

This thread turned into a dumpster-fire pretty quick, didn't it?

I'm assuming a bunch of posts will get deleted and then it'll be fine.

Needs a nesting circle in the racist bubble that reads “People who agree with this graphic.”

Why do you think the previous CRT thread was able to go for over 5,000 posts?

So it's your opinion that people who are opposed to racialization are the actual racists?

I have cleaned up some of this thread, removed some posts that explicitly promoted anti-semitism and taken mod action beyond that.

Some residue might remain, some convos might look weird.

Because nobody noticed that Nazi Klopek as a Nazi I guess?

I was certainly shocked when an extreme anti-vaxxer ended up also being an anti-Semite...

Are you ever going to actually do that or are just going to post grandpa Twitter memes like you always do?

The anti-anti-racists are a bit racist. You might be able to puzzle out why if you think about it.

Two things I learned last year are racist you wouldn’t think would be racist

Tests in school are racist. White kids do better on tests because their parents are better at preparing the white kids for tests. So black kids do not underperform white kids on tests because they learned a subject with less mastery than their white peers, it’s because racism. This idea lead a city in my state to cancel some AP high school classes. Black kids did worse on the placement tests so the solution was to cancel AP math for the entire school. Is that effective anti racism?

Houses are racists. The majority of home buyers are white. In some markets it’s the vast majority. Research shows when a neighborhood crosses the 10% minority line white people stop buying houses there. With most of the bidders gone property values in these neighborhoods fall. That means when a white person buys a house, 30 years later their home has at least doubled in value and the house represents a large portion of that person’s wealth. When a black person buys a house in a black neighborhood the value of the home does not rise anywhere close to the rate of homes in white neighborhoods. Sometimes they fall in price over long periods. So in 30 years that black person has much less wealth than the white person from their respective homes. I don’t know how the solution for that one other than long term changes in demographics and a new attitude re: race from the next generation. Good luck sicking congress on that one

I already did it. I'm sure you saw and are just lying now.
It was from the old thread, which you also saw.

Can you cite that AP math class cancellation? I must have missed that one.

You understand that when differential outcomes are seen, a popular explanation is that differential, racist pre-treatment is a root cause, not that the test itself is racially biased, right? Like if we agreed to race and I broke you knees first and I won we would expect onlookers to say it's because I broke your knees, because I'm a violent cheater, not that the track hated you. You get that, right?

One way to look at racism in America is that, collectively, and in the past mostly but by no means entirely, White people, collectively and prolifically, were extremely violent cheaters. But unlike a gold medal for the winner or non-recognition of the loser, the outcomes of racism have various ways of being socially inherited inter-generationally.

In other late-breaking news, water is wet.

Great article on the ‘majority of white women only voted twice for the Democratic presidential candidate since the 1950s because white supremacy’ meme going around right now and which has been applauded loudly on The Daily Show and The Bill Maher Show:

“Intersectional analysis has both promise and perils. This article focuses on a single example of how it can go wrong. I hope it serves as a cautionary lesson, too. If you were nodding along as you read about a majority of white women voting Republican in all but two elections since 1952, thinking, It’s just like them to use their votes to uphold white supremacy and patriarchy, what other woke lines that you applaud don’t stand up to scrutiny?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...en-gop/576586/

Deuces, the AP classes were canceled in Lowell, Massachusetts last year in the summer ahead of last school year. I can’t find a link because they’re buried in google by this story

https://www.wgbh.org/news/education/...arning-classes

Boston revamped the admissions systems for their elite high schools. I was being a bit facetious with ‘tests are racist’ but damn, how can anyone defend that ^ status quo.

I can't see how the solution to disproportionate enrollment in AP classes would be to water down the educational opportunities for everyone.

If 70% of those enrolled are white and Asian, then that means 30% aren't-- and now those people are also losing their opportunity for AP credit.

It’s 2021 and my man here just learned that US housing policy is racist. Gonna blow his mind when he hears about the criminal justice system.

The disparity was similar for Lowell that was the district that canceled some AP classes. It was like 30% minority students and 3% in AP classes.

In the Boston example it’s being done by zip code, so the highest performing students from black neighborhoods will be admitted no matter where their scores fall overall. The 70%/80% is so jarring something has to be done. If I was a plumber who bought in a good neighborhood 13 years ago and my kid is 90% smart overall but 70% in their neighborhood so they miss the good high school I would be ripshit.

‘Smart’ meaning test score which I think antiracism takes issue with.

It’s not ‘policy’ that white people stop buying in neighborhoods when minorities move in. Is housing policy still racist? Which policies? Credit scores?

The policy debate in the testing example is: grade black and Latino kids on a curve vs give black and brown kids test prep. Affirmative action just seems like dirty business but if people think it’s necessary they should say it and defend it.

Yes.

Also, yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

You're welcome.

Can you wrap your mind around the concept that blocking black people out of good jobs etc for ages was affirmative action as well? Then after all that time and the advantages it secured when we did try to bring things to a more level footing with stuff like the civirightsact ~half the country lost their minds.