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09-02-2021 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
So are we supposed to discuss the sometime silly ideas put forth by CRT advocates or are we supposed to discuss how we can best address the problems systemic racism cause in society ?

CRT is pretty much a can of worms but it didn't appear for no reason.
Ideally-- instead of spinning off the discussion from the mod thread to form this thread, and if TD didn't (for some reason that seems completely inexplicable) want to just unlock the old thread, I would have worked on a proper OP that delineated the scope of this thread.

But CRT per se (and again whatever that even means), as a purely academic discipline I don't think is that interesting. More interesting (to me) is how those ideas have been adopted and promoted by the ruling class in the name of 'anti-racism', and how they further the interests of power.

But you should discuss whatever you want to want to discuss here as long as it deals with race/racism in some respects.

I think we covered a lot in the old thread but it's not like the topic is going away.
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09-02-2021 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
What's the science being ignored involving race and crime?
How are we still having this discussion in 2021? I can already tell you how this thread will end.

First anyone alleging that certain demographics are overrepresented in crime will be labeled a racist, even though the data is publicly available and anyone paying attention knows what's going on anyway. Then comes the part where you provide evidence to back up your claims and that's usually when you get banned.

I can't even imagine how a discussion on 'white genocide' would go on this forum. The same 5 troglodytes with ten thousands of posts would do their usual boring tactics; weak trolling, strawmen and logical fallacies rather than addressing the arguments. Instead you'll have distractions like Luckbox is doing right now with this CRT bullshit.

Because that's what it all comes down to; "the left" is more interested in protecting the status quo than having an honest discussion.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
But yeah Werner-- there really isn't such a thing as race in humans outside of a few isolated groups like the Sentinelese. Hopefully that helps.
Not sure if trolling or serious, if it's the latter please save the pilpul for someone else, im immunized.

Spoiler:
If anyone is honestly interested in race differences and want books recommendations, search "Scientific Proof of Racial Differences" on Yandex and then you can figure it out. Disclaimer for the feds reading this: I do not endorse that forum.
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09-02-2021 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Werner Klopek
How are we still having this discussion in 2021?
An excellent question.

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I can already tell you how this thread will end.
Me too!

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First anyone alleging that certain demographics are overrepresented in crime will be labeled a racist,
A shocking allegation!

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even though the data is publicly available and anyone paying attention knows what's going on anyway.
Please tell us "what is going on anyway."

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Then comes the part where you provide evidence to back up your claims and that's usually when you get banned.
Here's hoping!

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I can't even imagine how a discussion on 'white genocide' would go on this forum.
That mask has fallen all the way off now.



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If anyone is honestly interested in race differences and want books recommendations, search "Scientific Proof of Racial Differences" on Yandex and then you can figure it out.
Yikes.
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09-02-2021 , 05:57 PM
At least wait an hour before proving me right. Anyway, news like this restore my faith in humanity and I realize you guys are a vocal minority.



In California of all places! Nature is healing.
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09-02-2021 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Werner Klopek


This is what living in a White supremacist society looks like!
See, we don't need FLYWF to peel the masks off anymore, these racist white supremacist [censored] feel comfortable enough to do it themselves.
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09-02-2021 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Werner Klopek


This is what living in a White supremacist society looks like!
Also, and ironically, this is exactly what living in an instutionally racist society looks like. DUCY?
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09-02-2021 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
More interesting (to me) is how those ideas have been adopted and promoted by the ruling class in the name of 'anti-racism', and how they further the interests of power.
That is interesting.
Dividing the working classes by race makes us that much weaker so obviously the Democratic party would get behind it. Just like they do with gender issues.

Divide and conquer.
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09-02-2021 , 06:35 PM
When the point of CRT is the idea that generations of racist policies have left black people at a disadvantage for nearly 200 years in this country you should also be able to point out that black people seem to commit crimes right now at higher rates than other people. And that’s not a function of their race it’s a function of systemic oppression. I think that’s OK to say
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09-02-2021 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Werner Klopek


This is what living in a White supremacist society looks like!
Now that we have the systemic racism solved should we cure cancer ?
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09-02-2021 , 06:38 PM
Enstein I can’t overstate how pathetic it is to say DUCY on an account registered last month
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09-02-2021 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Werner Klopek
Not sure if trolling or serious, if it's the latter please save the pilpul for someone else, im immunized.
Definitely not trolling and I have a pretty decent understanding of race as a biological concept.

It basically goes: Genus > Species > Subspecies/Race, where race and subspecies are basically used interchangeably.

But these are human-imposed-categories (relating to gene flow) that we apply to nature. In the wild, it can be impossible to determine even where species begin and end (c.f. Dark-eyed Juncos), let alone subspecies or beyond.

What is considered a species is a group of organisms that can breed and produce fertile offspring and who do so naturally in the wild. Lions and Tigers can mate and produce ligers, but this only occurs in captivity and not in the wild. Thus we consider Lions and Tigers to be separate species.

Somewhat similarly, there is interbreeding that takes places between Black-capped chickadees and Carolina chickadees, and there is a band of hybridization that is about 50 kilometers wide where their ranges meet. Offspring though do not have success in breeding, and thus differentiation between the two species is maintained and we consider them as separate species.

With other birds like Song sparrows, ornithologists have documented some 29 subspecies-- but what separates them is not through selective breeding preferences, but through what is known as clinal variation, where there is gradation of traits across geographical ranges. Skin color in humans is (for the most part) like this with darker skinned people occurring near the tropics, and lighter skinned people occurring in more extreme latitudes.

But in humans as in Song sparrows, these categories are artificially imposed. We see phenotype differences and say "that is a race", but if you were to line up specimens of a bunch of different Song sparrows, it would be impossible to tell where one subspecies begins and another one ends. Sadly I can't find the image that I've seen that illustrates that.

Ultimately race as a biological concept is a product of time and geographic isolation/clinal variation, but it's a messy one, and doesn't have a lot of meaning. That differences within a species exist across different regions is completely expected, but when we talk about race that's all we're really describing.

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09-02-2021 , 07:34 PM
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Enstein I can’t overstate how pathetic it is to say DUCY on an account registered last month
EH, How is registration date even remotely relevant to use of DUCY?

Pretty pathetic from an account registered in April 2018.
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09-02-2021 , 09:41 PM
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Enstein I can’t overstate how pathetic it is to say DUCY on an account registered last month
DUCY is kinda lame regardless who's saying it.
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09-02-2021 , 11:56 PM


Found on twitter. It seems about right.
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09-03-2021 , 12:13 AM
Well that one is going to get you banned.
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09-03-2021 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Well that one is going to get you banned.
People don't get deplatformed for lying.

Thus beg the question; what is the point of having a politics and society forum when all the issues inevitably lead to the same source that we can't discuss?
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09-03-2021 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Ultimately race as a biological concept is a product of time and geographic isolation/clinal variation, but it's a messy one, and doesn't have a lot of meaning. That differences within a species exist across different regions is completely expected, but when we talk about race that's all we're really describing.
I agree with what you wrote--just snipped it short to save space. One of the problems is ^that can be the truth--but there's still the reality of the false story being imposed/believed for so long and for it to still persist. Putting things right isn't as simple as just correcting the science--at least imo mainly because it basically forces the people who were already getting the shaft for ages to eat yet another l. It does make things more complex to navigate though.
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09-03-2021 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Well that one is going to get you banned.
Racism is bad, so I will be banned for noticing that another ethnic group wants me dead. That makes sense to you?





Hundreds of Jewish NGO push for mass immigration from the third world into the West (in the name of diversity™), while they have their own ethnostate with strict borders. Can we talk about that?
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09-03-2021 , 02:01 AM
Nice another crt thread. Where is the 9/11, crt, sandy hook mega thread
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09-03-2021 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Nice another crt thread. Where is the 9/11, crt, sandy hook mega thread
Seems like a bunch of disparate topics. Why do you think they should all be combined into one thread?
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09-03-2021 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Werner Klopek
Trust science when it comes to climate change and covid, but ignore science when it involves race and crime.
Are race and crime studied in a laboratory with volumetric flasks and stuff? Did I miss something?
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09-03-2021 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Seems like a bunch of disparate topics. Why do you think they should all be combined into one thread?
They're all a mess. Look how much racistshit has already been spewed here. And it's on page 3
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09-03-2021 , 02:25 AM
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They're all a mess. Look how much racistshit has already been spewed here. And it's on page 3
That's just Werner and he's going to be banned.

I'm pretty sure the last thread went 5k without any racist posts. (Well except for Cuepee's stuff about Lebron being bred to play basketball-- that was pretty bad, almost forgot about that).

This is still page 1.
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09-03-2021 , 02:29 AM
Werner,

Couple questions
1-- Are you from Poland? I looked up the name Klopek and it's said to be a Polish surname so I'm just curious there.

2-- Have you ever met any Jewish people in real life?
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09-03-2021 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Taibbi has a piece on white fragility.
Pretty sure our lexicon of pejorative terms and what types, classes, etc. of people they refer to would leave the 'white male' with the shortest list by quite a margin.
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