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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Ex post facto justifications for racial stratification and disparities are a dime a dozen. It's not like the whole thing rests on IQ. Most people have even moved on from IQ, knowing it's uncouth to say Black people are stupider. It's now "culture," that Black "culture" is somehow lazy and criminal and whatever.
The prevalence of different strains of racist thinking among those who can speak in public, i.e. not the loud and proud neo nazis, is hard to tease out. It appears cyclical. The pattern I see with "speakable" racism, which is largely a function of my particular exposure, is that a lot of roads lead to The Bell Curve. Even Sam Harris of the Intellectual Dark Web, after crusading for culture, predictably found his way to Murray (and really showed what a fraud he is too in the process). They need a critique less slippery than just culture and something not so easily dismissed for what it is. That's why the single parent statistics will never lose popularity among that set. But that's not substantial enough, and over time they will eventually start talking about haplogroups. Genetics has a long history of being abused by racists through different nonscientific guises, and we aren't getting rid of that trend anytime soon. As we get more technocratic the allure of that realm is only going to increase. There just aren't a lot of other routes that blame Black people without also suggesting racism is ultimately at fault and so something should be done. Genetic determinism as an explanation of the minority plight will, for the foreseeable future, be the holy grail of racists. They will be relentlessly pursuing this for decades to come.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Some of these people might believe what they say, sure, but that doesn't mean that I think that they will switch to supporting racial equality if you show them incontrovertible data that show that Black people are, in fact, full-status people. They'll just move on to the next justification.
You're not really addressing my point from before, that the White privilege movement needs a recruiting spiel that isn't explicitly hateful or overly nuanced. It's not so much about changing the hard cases as inoculating the youth with something a little more substantial to compliment the diversity programming that many youth negatively regard as cultural propaganda.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I believe in targeting people with values here, not idle facts that people ignore whenever inconvenient. We value equality and justice, and that's why we must fight for them for and with Black people. Facts aren't persuasive, but what you value and what you fight for is.
There isn't anything wrong with taking a multifaceted approach. I disagree about the impact of facts. They matter at the indoctrination level. These are dynamic movements not just all staked out positions.
And the approaches have to be appropriate to a changing zietgiest. Equality for it's own sake might be a tougher sell as our society becomes more inequitable and the leadership embrace the mechanisms producing that inequity. Values education and material conditions together compose a dissonant message. You're supposed to be some isolated, exploited economic subject exposed to ruthless and amoral market forces but hey, don't you forget to treat those Blacks with sympathy and humanity. We need some kind of educational program wrt race that emphasizes solidarity and sameness alongside all the diversity slogans. Using genetics towards that end is also a way to not cede more of that ground to the Murrays of the world. We don't want to engender optics in which the racists are the pragmatists and the scientific fellows and we are emotional ideologues. That's more and more of a losing strategy given the way things are changing.