Have we gotten confirmation on this question yet?

Yikes.

Need a picture of her smiling to tell if she’s really genuinely black.

glad we have the cryptoslavers (trolly roccoco and Einstein) to rush in and ridicule the idea that slavery in america was bad

I met this girl a couple years ago and I was like "where are you from?" and she said the UK and I was like "dafuq....you're from Kenya or Tanzania" then she said she was Kenyan and I guessed her tribe correctly.

Accents can go a long ways.

She's a member at Augusta, so probably no.

Please feel free to elaborate on the idea that authentic African Americans do not genuinely smile.

Please point to the post where I ridiculed the idea that slavery was bad.

Well I agree accents can tell you things--but not nec. all things.

Were there no slaves in Africa? Both parents? Maybe they lived here/then moved back there as a child/prior? Lots of options.

Slavery is bad, yo.

But you also seem to be saying African immigrants and ADOS share the same plight, a position which totally neglects the effects of slavery. Denial of the effects of slavery and racism is tactic 0 in the racist toolkit. I don't think you are a racist but maybe you should think a little about your state of knowledge on the topic.

It's an easy enough mistake. When I say Obama isn't really Black your brain says "Ooh I know this one. Deuces is trying to call Obama a sellout for not acting Black enough. Attack!". But that's not what I am saying at all. I'm simply saying Obama has very little experiential overlap with the U.S. born Black majority whose families have gone through slavery, re-enslavement, Jim Crow, ghettoization, and other assaults too numerous to list here. Not only is Obama not ADOS but he was raised away from the mainland. He is just about the theoretically non Blackest person who could still honestly check Black on a census. Harris approaches that level of removal from the typical Black experience.

Of all the experiences which could overlap, having American Slave ancestors is, in my view, the most critical. Although that can also be mitigated. Take Corey Booker, one of the other handful of Black senators in American history. I don't know his parents national origin, but I know his parents were executives at IBM and fought against racist enemies to move into an exclusive suburb where Corey was raised, presumably among mostly White peers- not at all the typical experience for Black Americans, who also tend not to talk like John C. Riley.

Yeah. Trolly is gonna troll. Confirmed.

No social theory of any value is absolute. We are talking about trends and correlations.

Check the Ivy League admissions demographics. In the dust up over Asian admission rates at Harvard it was claimed that most of the Black students admitted to Harvard are not U.S. born. Our society is advancing those non ADOS Black people, people like Obama, to represent progress in diversity while still totally neglecting the Black people whose lineage goes way back here, whole familial sacrifice kick started this whole country and who have never been made whole. But their problems are intractable and require resource commitments that neoliberals like Trolly would rather pour into the "defense" budget.

I think most people realize there's some distinction in there. Obama's particular situation may be different--but out and about moving around in the world here it's not like the avg person knows your bio so I imagine he had some experience with racism/prejudice prior to public life.

No, I’m laughing at you because you’re a clueless white dude who’s trying to be some kind of a gatekeeper for black authenticity. Obama isn’t really black because he smiles funny… have you tried running this idea past your black friends?

I've mentioned this before but--being black here and wealthy/having Every advantage doesn't guarantee the rainbows and fairytales experience down the line. One of my best friends growing up was reggie lewis' nephew(you can visit the museum) and he had All the advantages growing up/his dad was no slouch in biz either. And yet ~20yrs ago he finally said f this country and bailed to another place/south america. Just done with being viewed as less than by a bunch of clowns. When the person in charge of your investments says--bro Im bailing to sa here sign this paper to transfer all of your loot to me there wasn't a moment of hesitation by me or any of our other friends.

This would be a winning argument for you if anyone were actually saying the bolded.

Of course the experiences of recent immigrants from Nigeria and sixth generation African Americans are different. American slavery of course has had a bigger impact on the latter group than the former group.

That observation doesn't confer on you any right or special ability to decide who the "authentic" black people are. And it certainly doesn't support a lot of the dumb ass generalities that have been tossed around in this thread over the few days.

I think you've likely never considered the bold until this thread. And we are talking 10+ generations.

"Authentic" is not a word or concept I introduced. It's just the leg of Trolly's straw man. I'm saying there is a common experience among those with American slave ancestors which is radically different than Black people who don't have American slave ancestors. I went on to try to detail some of those differences I think are most significant (the ideological and pseudo scientific doctrines of White supremacy) but I think only a few people both understood what I was saying and were willing to represent their understanding in good faith.

Deuces is trying to retcon this now, but he did actually say that Kamala Harris isn’t black:

Do you think I invented the term ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves)? It's a whole movement. It came out of attempts to describe why affirmative action wasn't addressing the group it was supposed to address. ADOS is a Black led movement. These are not my ideas, except for the emphasis on ideology as the most significant factor which really isn't my idea either. I'm just doing synthesis here.

The reason you're not up on this (although you might eventually be if it goes mainstream and you get your instructions from proper authority on what to think) is because what you hear from Black people is filtered through the media which prefers not to listen to the voices of the U.S. born Black majority. It wants to hear Colson Whitehead and Obama, voices more like theirs. It definitely doesn't want to hear anything about reparations (unless it is weaponized against Bernie Sanders), which is another mobilizing idea behind ADOS.

I'm coming from Chicago, a city which is a third Black and super segregated. You see the sickness of racism here maybe clearer than anywhere. But I'm not some transplant from a White suburb of the Midwest coming here because I have some vague notions about going to a big city to get ahead and to whom Black people are just some background unpleasantry.

I was one of those who was so excited about Obama early on that it embarrasses me to even think about it now. My sense is older Blacks in Chicago are holding onto the initial impression of Obama the hardest. But a lot of younger Black people in the Sanders campaign totally agree with this assessment and see him as the grifter opportunist outsider he is.

When people were being forced into a situation that had them dying at crazy rates etc in both places--trying to put a little shine on 1 (debatable)variable probably comes off to some people as a bit strange It's not like there was no racism/'science' based or otherwise in euro-land after slavery ended. If the brits etc were being nicer because of the brutal heat--why not invite everybody back to the mothership to cool off a little after things ended?

And one of the advantages immigrant Black people have, sort of, is not being so aware of how they are perceived by White people, also therefore not being as confrontational or suspicious. I remember being in high school sitting at table in the library with some people, one of whom was an African exchange student. He came and sat down and related that some students had just asked him if he knew where the B section was. He was like "don't they know about the Dewey decimal system? There is no B section". He had no clue, just zero awareness, that they were trying to say he shouldn't be hanging out with White people because he is Black. On the one hand he is ignorant of forces against him. On the other hand, his interactions with non racist White people are a lot more fluid and trusting as a result. I think it could be a net advantage over U.S. born Blacks.

Are you seriously so arrogant that you think you introduced this concept to me or anyone else for the first time? It's blindingly ****ing obvious. For your next sociology lesson, maybe you can teach us that not all native Spanish speakers share the same cultural heritage.

Your belief that you were enlightening us speaks mostly to your own titanic ego.

I have confidence because my analysis is a little better at predicting outcomes than most people who attempt prediction. But it doesn't really help people usually so I am not egotistical but I know I am more likely to be right.

Multiple people asked me for advice on betting the superbowl. I told them I strongly doubt the chiefs will score more than 17 points. I gave them a slate of bets and props basically built around that idea. It's too radical for them. It goes against the majority thinking too strongly. They don't take my advice. Then they are clearly jealous when I'm cashing and don't want to give me props. That's my life. I see what's true better than most people but I can barely convince anyone of it.

Let me get this straight. Your experiences advising your friends on Superbowl prop bets (among other life experiences) gave you confidence that you had enlightened me and others with the insight that recent Nigerian immigrants have a different cultural background than African-Americans who trace their roots to the U.S. slave trade?

Now, truly, I have heard everything. I don't even know what to say. The "lesson" you think you taught everyone is grade school stuff. It's laughably obvious.

You're jealous and not giving him props = he's right.

EZ Game.