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06-30-2023 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I have said this before, but it appears the "Occupy Wall Street" movement in 2011 was a seminal moment where the cultural elites realized the Hoi polloi were developing a class consciousness, and they didn't like it.

So starting with the Trayvon Martin incident, the elites went hard in the paint to promote racial divisions through racial grievance politics, to put a wedge and destroy any true class based movement; and to their credit the elites were wildly successful. Instead of marching against billionaire bankers, the mobs are marching against blue collar workers making $50k/yr.

We have had a significant increase in the number of black people entering the top 1%, but this has done nothing to address overall racial inequality. If anything this is increasing inequality. But the elites dont want us talking about this. Instead they want us focused on whether we should decriminalize antisocial behavior, including in many cases violence, to address the inequity in the prison population, as if this is going to fix anything (cliffs: it isn't).
I don't think the "cultural elites" would rally against class consciousness. On the contrary, I think one of the primary goals of the cultural elite was to promote class consciousness. However, a repeated rejection of class-based Marxism at the ballot box (for example Brexit in the UK) has led the cultural elites to abandon the working class and focus their ideas towards race, gender and sexual orientation.

CRT and intersectionality has therefore been adopted by the cultural elites as discrimination based on these characteristics. This type of discrimination is far more salient that class-based discrimination, and therefore easier to sow the kind of societal division required to achieve Marxism.
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06-30-2023 , 04:06 AM
would read again teach what you know

we need our best and brightest lol get out there. ill stay inside

Last edited by Schlitz mmmm; 06-30-2023 at 04:14 AM.
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06-30-2023 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
I don't think the "cultural elites" would rally against class consciousness. On the contrary, I think one of the primary goals of the cultural elite was to promote class consciousness. However, a repeated rejection of class-based Marxism at the ballot box (for example Brexit in the UK) has led the cultural elites to abandon the working class and focus their ideas towards race, gender and sexual orientation.

CRT and intersectionality has therefore been adopted by the cultural elites as discrimination based on these characteristics. This type of discrimination is far more salient that class-based discrimination, and therefore easier to sow the kind of societal division required to achieve Marxism.
I think you underestimate how traditional how class dynamics in the US differ from Britain/Europe. Mainly because the North/South divide over slavery in the 1800s, in the US there has never really been a class consciousness that wasn't superseded by race, which is important because it is very easy for elites to divide the proletariat class over racial lines in a diverse society. Especially one where literally 20% of the population (less so now) was recently slaves.
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06-30-2023 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
I think you underestimate how traditional how class dynamics in the US differ from Britain/Europe. Mainly because the North/South divide over slavery in the 1800s, in the US there has never really been a class consciousness that wasn't superseded by race, which is important because it is very easy for elites to divide the proletariat class over racial lines in a diverse society. Especially one where literally 20% of the population (less so now) was recently slaves.
There may be some truth in that, but it's not the whole story. For example, in the US there are more than twice as many poor white people than there are poor black people, and there are more poor Hispanic people, who were not as affected by slavery, than there are poor black people.

That's not to say black people are not disproportionately affected - they are. However, it's raw numbers that win elections.

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Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity
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06-30-2023 , 05:02 PM
I've seen it firsthand, God willing.

almost 30 years in the hood of south KCMO and now in a semi-rural area, 30/40 miles from the city center
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