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06-24-2021 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Is it a pretense though?

I ask that seriously as I have known guys with strong opinions about everything even when they admit zero domain knowledge in the area and who are then convinced they are right because it just 'seems to make sense to them'.

What you are suggesting is a dishonesty in approach (pretend = deception) as opposed to an ignorance in approach which I think Lucky really brings.

No offense intended but i find it very rare that Lucky can bring an informed real view to anything. He just seems to 'question' and then opine, often asking others to make the arguments which ties into him not knowing enough to do so.
It's not just one approach. Mainstream media is taking a dishonest approach on both sides. I was giving the benefit of doubt to people like Crenshaw and Kendi were true believers, I also give them benefit of the doubt of being some of the strongest thinkers on the left, but recent interviews they gave, I'm not so sure anymore. They outright lied about their own thinking/movements.

One thing I know for certain, there's probably a few people who know what they're doing. Specifically, the BLM founders, outside of that, I'm not sure if it's nothing more than these folks lying to themselves because of their deep rooted faith of the ideology. Or are simply drifters. The intellectually honest folks who buy into critical race theory have written books, not the pop culture s*** of white fragility or how to be an anti-racist, but rather those who work and write specifically about critical race theory, those people aren't that prevalent on the media circuit.

On the right, there's only a few people who are actually engaging from an intellectually honest position as well. James Lindsay is one of those, John McWhorter (he's not really a righty) and Glenn Lowry is another... Coleman Hughes, John Wood Jr. (not a lefty either), among others.
06-24-2021 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You understand, if I say “I’ve never seen The Crown, I don’t know anything about The Crown, and I don’t care about The Crown,” and then someone tells me the acting on The Crown is terrible, it’s very odd if I say “You’re wrong! Prove it!” Like, that’s not how people work.



If you want people to play along with this game you have to at least make your act semi-plausible if you want people to continue playing along with you.
Don't you realize that this is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion?

You all are stating a priori that the reason why CRT stuff is taking off as a talking point of the cultural right is because they fear "the brown menance".

I'm asking for you to show some examples of how anti-CRT rhetoric is used in this way or plays into this-- it's pretty simple. It doesn't have to be Fox News. It can be any conservative media-- or even Newsweek.
06-24-2021 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Don't you realize that this is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion?

You all are stating a priori that the reason why CRT stuff is taking off as a talking point of the cultural right is because they fear "the brown menance".

I'm asking for you to show some examples of how anti-CRT rhetoric is used in this way or plays into this-- it's pretty simple. It doesn't have to be Fox News. It can be any conservative media-- or even Newsweek.
I mean, I can show you all kinds of clips of Tucker Carlson being a racist dingbat, but what’s the point? We both know you’re going to play obtuse. You’re just really not very good at this.
06-24-2021 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I mean, I can show you all kinds of clips of Tucker Carlson being a racist dingbat, but what’s the point? We both know you’re going to play obtuse. You’re just really not very good at this.
Lol. Is this really how you go about making arguments?
"Tucker Carlson is a racist dingbat ergo......stuff about CRT"????
Can you try harder?
06-24-2021 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
Typing on the publicly funded invention to fight the commies
DARPA?
I mean....you're not wrong I guess but still...
06-24-2021 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Do you think it's possible that there might be reasons people, including conservatives, might be opposed to CRT that aren't as a result of them fearing brown people?
No, not really. There is literally nothing else to be afraid of in it. I mean, sure, people can make up all sorts of reasons that they put forth as real reasons that are more publicly acceptable, but it's not like they stand up to scrutiny.
06-24-2021 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
No, not really. There is literally nothing else to be afraid of in it. I mean, sure, people can make up all sorts of reasons that they put forth as real reasons that are more publicly acceptable, but it's not like they stand up to scrutiny.
Are there some examples where racial identities are forced onto people that have worked out well in history?
And maybe you can think of some I'm sure.
06-24-2021 , 03:29 PM
Is it reasonable that people who grew up with a (however white-washed) version of MLK-colorblind ideology might be skeptical of ideologies that are anything but colorblind?

Or should those people just be denounced as fearing the brown menace?
06-24-2021 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Lol. Is this really how you go about making arguments?
This is how I engage with bad-faith trolls. You’ve maybe noticed that no one else is falling for your shtick either?
06-24-2021 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Lol. Is this really how you go about making arguments?
"Tucker Carlson is a racist dingbat ergo......stuff about CRT"????
Can you try harder?
It's the right answer though.

Are you going to say 'ok check mate, you got me with that one Tucker Carlson clip' or are you going to hand wave it away as a singular anecdote?

If you say yes to the one then I will get it for you.

If you say no then what is your magic number for conceding?

As we have all played the internet game long enough to know people send you on these missions and just dismiss the information as meaningless the second it comes in, demonstrating there was no point to the request.
06-24-2021 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
It's the right answer though.



Are you going to say 'ok check mate, you got me with that one Tucker Carlson clip' or are you going to hand wave it away as a singular anecdote?



If you say yes to the one then I will get it for you.



If you say no then what is your magic number for conceding?



As we have all played the internet game long enough to know people send you on these missions and just dismiss the information as meaningless the second it comes in, demonstrating there was no point to the request.
You're asking me how many random Tucker Carlson clips that show him stoking fears about things not related to CRT will make me believe that criticism of CRT from the cultural right is due to fear of brown people?
06-24-2021 , 04:06 PM
Wait till they find out most of this is being generated through social media. Cable news is just following social media. 99% of investigative journalism is occurring through social media today.

Similar to how 2 + 2 exposed AP and u b

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06-24-2021 , 04:07 PM
I mean if were talking about migrant caravans I think Cuepee & co would have a pretty good point.
Except we're talking about CRT.
06-24-2021 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I mean if were talking about migrant caravans I think Cuepee & co would have a pretty good point.
Except we're talking about CRT.
They don't grasp their argument about Tucker is premised around the tail wagging the dog.

They literally think cable news is driving the criticism.
06-24-2021 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Is it reasonable that people who grew up with a (however white-washed) version of MLK-colorblind ideology might be skeptical of ideologies that are anything but colorblind?

Or should those people just be denounced as fearing the brown menace?
I mean, if you grew up with a whitewashed version of MLK thinking that colorblindness was the only way to racial equality, I would hope that at some point you thought about why it hasn't happened yet. It more than strains credulity to think that a white person would honestly think that Black people have achieved racial equality at this point. So, if they're opposed to doing anything to advance racial equality, then I'm pretty sure that they're just afraid of PoC improving their social station, yes.
06-24-2021 , 04:20 PM
Show the results of critical race theory praxis. There is literally no scientific data analysis that says this works. I have historical evidence that shows racial consciousness and the embracing of a socially constructed white race is incredibly destructive.

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06-24-2021 , 04:24 PM
I have scientific data analysis that shows the rate of incarceration for black males is decreasing at twice the rate of white males between 2006-2016, before this theory started being incorporated into public institutions.
06-24-2021 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I mean if were talking about migrant caravans I think Cuepee & co would have a pretty good point.
Except we're talking about CRT.
You think Fox is using migrant caravan hysteria to stir up racists?
06-24-2021 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Show the results of critical race theory praxis. There is literally no scientific data analysis that says this works. I have historical evidence that shows racial consciousness and the embracing of a socially constructed white race is incredibly destructive.
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I have scientific data analysis that shows the rate of incarceration for black males is decreasing at twice the rate of white males between 2006-2016, before this theory started being incorporated into public institutions.
I'm just going to pre-emptively lol @ your science at all levels, for failings of the science itself, your failings to properly comprehend it, and the failure to properly line up the alleged findings with actual, full-context arguments from actual CRT academics.
06-24-2021 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You think Fox is using migrant caravan hysteria to stir up racists?
Basically yeah. That was sort of my point.
06-24-2021 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I'm just going to pre-emptively lol @ your science at all levels, for failings of the science itself, your failings to properly comprehend it, and the failure to properly line up the alleged findings with actual, full-context arguments from actual CRT academics.
Social science “theory” is proven how, generally speaking?
06-24-2021 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Basically yeah. That was sort of my point.
But... I thought you weren't familiar with Fox News?
06-24-2021 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
But... I thought you weren't familiar with Fox News?
We talked about migrant caravan propaganda here in this forum previously.
06-24-2021 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
You're asking me how many random Tucker Carlson clips that show him stoking fears about things not related to CRT will make me believe that criticism of CRT from the cultural right is due to fear of brown people?
NO.

We are asking what constitutes 'proof' for you?

If you are asking people to be your errand boys and educate you on it let us know it will matter.

We've all played this game 'XYZ politician never said that, prove he did'. You then get the quote and they say "ya, who cares that does not change my view anyways since it is broader than that'.

then why did you ask me to get and prove it when it would change nothing regardless?

I will never 'go fetch' if you do not tell me first what it will mean to you if i do.

Is it a singular Tucker video? Or once I get one is your answer 'ok but that is just one'. 'it is anecdotal and does not change anything'?

Does the second one you say 'go fetch' change it or is that more of the same?

What makes you thinks I, or anyone else, should play if you won't say what it means to you?
06-24-2021 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
They don't grasp their argument about Tucker is premised around the tail wagging the dog.

They literally think cable news is driving the criticism.
You literally have to be an idiot if you think News shows (Cable and online) and Social Media Spam are NOT driving the bulk of the dialogue.

And by bulk I mean the Politicians and all the Parents ending up at Schools protesting the issue.

These are not people reading educational briefs or doing research.

To my prior point 'this issue, as it is BEING RAISED and is NOW RESONATING thru the general public is just the next brown menace scare attempt by those proliferating it'.

Without the very purposeful inflammation of this for political ends, it would be a quite back burner issue mostly debated amongst academics.

      
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