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06-10-2021 , 12:59 PM
Also, from my perspective, this fight isn't really being taken to Democrats but rather school boards.
06-10-2021 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas


Some aspects will be accepted and others won't.

This is shocking. Surely Mansion's race war is a nigh.
06-10-2021 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Also, from my perspective, this fight isn't really being taken to Democrats but rather school boards.
And we all know that every white mother will sit still and allow the black Marxist school board to teach her children whatever they like.

Mothers just aren't involved enough in school, I've always said so.
06-10-2021 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You continually conflate Republican and conservative. Granted, many conservatives vote Republican. The issue you have is, Fox News appeals to a fraction of voters, but you use it to shape your view of conservatives and the spectrum they exist on, or the variations to which they are conservative. Biden doesn't the White House without conservative liberals, or what people would consider classical liberals that often vote Republican.
I mean, Fox News is one of the main sources of mainstream coverage of critical race theory, as with political correctness and a bunch of made up stuff before.

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As far as the quoted part here is, mainstream media doesn't see this stuff as an issue. For instance, many of the left leaning folks here don't think it's an issue, other than the conservative reaction to it, which then they're more than happy to cover that "conservatives pounce". This should be self-evident why they don't cover the substance of it.
I personally don't think it's a big issue because I've pretty much never seen it outside of the context of conservative going to look for things to get mad at. It's never impacted my kids school or laws proposed by my liberal state's legislature. Also, I think conservatives have become fundamentally dishonest with birtherism, election fraud etc so It's easy to lump this in with those things. You should be really mad at birthers etc for ruining the reputation of conservatives because nobody is really taking you guys seriously anymore.



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06-10-2021 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Also, from my perspective, this fight isn't really being taken to Democrats but rather school boards.
It's hard to get people to care about what a school board is doing if it isn't there own. And most of the time it's hard even then. No surprise this hasn't really caught on as a major national story outside of the right wing looking to get mad bubble.
06-10-2021 , 01:46 PM
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Quick point about fox, conservatives and Republicans.
I would like to meet these Rs/conservatives who are living free of 'race-centered' thinking out in the wild--any suggestions where to start poking around? They seem to have been doing a really good job of hiding so far
06-10-2021 , 02:06 PM
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Jim Crow is pretty apt. Those were laws designed with the sole purpose of lowering the black vote. Just one example in Texas, they are trying to restrict voting on Sunday afternoon. Why? Because black churches have made voting after service a big thing and black people vote disproportionately high on Sunday. Nothing to do with fraud, election security or any of the stated reasons for the bill


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IHIV has typically argued there is nothing Jim Crow like or 'systemic in its discrimination' about that since it does not target race specifically and arguable some white and other people will be caught by it.


So the intent, design and outcome do not matter in his view, as long as you do not use 'race' in the definition of it.
06-10-2021 , 02:41 PM
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IHIV has typically argued there is nothing Jim Crow like or 'systemic in its discrimination' about that since it does not target race specifically and arguable some white and other people will be caught by it.


So the intent, design and outcome do not matter in his view, as long as you do not use 'race' in the definition of it.

Systemic racism has to involve racial discrimination. You and critical race theorist disagree with that. This is why you rationalize that I somehow deny the existence of systemic racism.
06-10-2021 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Systemic racism has to involve racial discrimination. You and critical race theorist disagree with that. This is why you rationalize that I somehow deny the existence of systemic racism.
So is your position that 'denying Sunday voting' is not systemic racism or racial discrimination since it captures whites and others who want to vote on Sunday too?
06-10-2021 , 04:16 PM
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So is your position that 'denying Sunday voting' is not systemic racism or racial discrimination since it captures whites and others who want to vote on Sunday too?
The goal of these voting laws is to decrease Democrats from voting. Doesn't matter whether they're white brown or yellow.
06-10-2021 , 04:30 PM
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The goal of these voting laws is to decrease Democrats from voting. Doesn't matter whether they're white brown or yellow.
Would you say that by trying to reduce Democratic voting regardless of their race that Republicans are living up to Martin Luther King's vision of America?
06-10-2021 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Some aspects will be accepted and others won't.



This is shocking. Surely Mansion's race war is a nigh.
The problem that we keep running into with the idea that critical race theory is mainstream and every lefty believes it is no one knows what it is and no one knows anyone who's teaching it
06-10-2021 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The goal of these voting laws is to decrease Democrats from voting. Doesn't matter whether they're white brown or yellow.
In the example i gave the goal is to reduce black voting knowing that will disproportionately impact Dem voting.

It absolutely DOES matter that they are are targeting blacks very specifically unless you are not black and do not care.

Do you deny they are targeting blacks very intentionally to achieve a goal?

And do you agree that targeting and its result, if successful is systemic racism?


(BTW I am surprised you replied at all. I fully expected you to use an excuse to try and avoid and check out knowing you could see you would say an argument you don't want to admit. So my compliments on that.)
06-10-2021 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The goal of these voting laws is to decrease Democrats from voting. Doesn't matter whether they're white brown or yellow.
By that "thinking" much of Jim Crow wasn't racist either. Literacy tests plus a grandfather clause was simply meant to lower the turnout of people who's grandparents weren't registered voters regardless of race.
06-10-2021 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
By that "thinking" much of Jim Crow wasn't racist either. Literacy tests plus a grandfather clause was simply meant to lower the turnout of people who's grandparents weren't registered voters regardless of race.
Do you think laws that tax professional athletes is another Jim Crow law? Given the demographics of professional athletes?
06-10-2021 , 06:03 PM
What laws tax professional athletes?
06-10-2021 , 06:09 PM
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What laws tax professional athletes?
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While "jock taxes" date to the 1960s, states started aggressively taxing the income of non-resident athletes in 1991,[1] when California imposed the tax on the earnings of Chicago Bulls players who traveled to Los Angeles to play the Lakers in that year's NBA Finals. Illinois soon retaliated, imposing its own "jock tax" on out-of-state players[2]—although Illinois' tax is only imposed on athletes from jurisdictions that impose jock taxes on Illinois-based players.[3] Other states followed suit; by 2014, the only U.S. jurisdictions with major professional teams without a jock tax were Florida, Texas, Washington state, and Washington, D.C.[2] (the three states do not impose personal income taxes, while the U.S. Congress specifically prohibits the District of Columbia from imposing its income tax on non-residents who work there).
Answer the question.
06-10-2021 , 06:32 PM
Yeah, those targeted taxes sound pretty bad to me. If you had emails from the people who wrote the laws discussing how it would be a good way to generate more taxes from black people or if they wrote in specific grandfather style clauses that exempted many white players (and only white players) from paying it the comparisons to Jim Crow would be obvious.
06-10-2021 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Answer the question.
Are you going to answer my question?

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Do you deny they are targeting blacks very intentionally to achieve a goal?

And do you agree that targeting and its result, if successful is systemic racism?
06-10-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Are you going to answer my question?

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No, I don't agree the laws are targeting black people, specifically. If those folks voted Republican I doubt those laws would exist, which tells me it doesn't really have anything to do with race, but rather political preference.
06-10-2021 , 06:51 PM
If I was interested in discussing the voting laws I would have discussing them in that particular thread.
06-10-2021 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Do you think laws that tax professional athletes is another Jim Crow law? Given the demographics of professional athletes?
Who cares ?

Anyone who's arguing that JC laws or the current voter suppression bills aren't examples of systemic racism is likely going to argue that the KKK isn't racist too.
06-10-2021 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The problem that we keep running into with the idea that critical race theory is mainstream and every lefty believes it is no one knows what it is and no one knows anyone who's teaching it
According to that Sam Seder clip HIV doesn't know what it is either. He's just passing on the talking points they're giving him.
06-10-2021 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Who cares ?

Anyone who's arguing that JC laws or the current voter suppression bills aren't examples of systemic racism is likely going to argue that the KKK isn't racist too.
These laws don't exist if the people they do target, voted Republican, irrespective of their race.
06-10-2021 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Given the demographics of professional athletes?
Are we counting tennis golf skateboarders soccer lacrosse and race car drivers and other stragglers etc? Or just the big4?

      
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