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06-23-2021 , 03:21 PM
06-23-2021 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Blah blah blah blah... history...blah blah. It's more than just history, bro.

Now do a rant on the US military's need for critical race theory:

Why would I need to give you one when you already posted a really excellent one? Do you expect me to believe that you're a greater expert on the needs of the US military than a literal general? I'd like to see you make a better argument than him, or at least show better credentials.
06-23-2021 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Why would I need to give you one when you already posted a really excellent one? Do you expect me to believe that you're a greater expert on the needs of the US military than a literal general? I'd like to see you make a better argument than him, or at least show better credentials.

I don't expect you would. You reduced critical race theory down to a history lesson.
06-23-2021 , 03:30 PM
Wow, that guy sure seems intelligent.

06-23-2021 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I don't expect you would. You reduced critical race theory down to a history lesson.
You really need to lie about a public post not far from here that anyone can see? Geez man, it's just pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you.
06-23-2021 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You really need to lie about a public post not far from here that anyone can see? Geez man, it's just pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you.
CRT is a perspective that excludes all other perspectives.
06-23-2021 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Brondo is what plants crave.
lol ihiv. Keep slangin' those mantras.
06-23-2021 , 03:58 PM
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In turn, Republicans in the electorate have sharper views about the concept – as revealed by an analysis of open-ended responses among those who reported the highest level of awareness.

According to the June 18-20 survey, 3 in 10 Republicans said they’d seen, read or heard “a lot” about critical race theory, compared with 21 percent of Democrats. The skew toward Republican consumption ranked among the largest of roughly 200 other news events and topics tested so far this year, placing it alongside other issues of interest to conservatives such as immigration, increasing gas prices and the Dr. Seuss controversy.
....and the Dr. Seuss controversy lol

https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/2...heory-polling/
06-23-2021 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
lol ihiv. Keep slangin' those mantras.
That's what's so annoying. You actually don't disagree with the mantra, but you reject it. If a person does not subscribe to the tenets, they are upholding racism. What do you think is going to happen to a soldier who rejects all or part of CRT?

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-23-2021 at 04:09 PM.
06-23-2021 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
That's what's so annoying. You actually don't disagree with the mantra, but If a person does not subscribe to the tenets, they are upholding racism.
I mean, if CRT is truly exclusive of all other perspectives, and the military teaches multiple perspectives including CRT, it sounds like the military isn't teaching CRT at all, so really, there's nothing for you to worry about in our military.

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What do you think is going to happen to a soldier who rejects all or part of CRT?
Uh, which part and why is really important for any reasonable person to answer the question.
06-23-2021 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas


This leads me to conclude progressive/wokester isn't actually a progressive liberal... It's an entirely different ideology. One that I better understand.
If you're standing in KG3's shoes the founding fathers/our ancestors look like a bunch of radical leftist revolutionaries. It's no accident that the conservatives toss out commie to chum the waters at just about everything they don't like--it works like a frigging charm every time. And if any of the rank n file are having a tough time getting there--they have plenty of little helpers to coax them along. There are no new battle lines--they're basically the same as they have been for ages now. It's just easier to keep the troops' attention by re-packaging the same old thing as some new and novel threat. Basic marketing--these ain't no regular bleeding hearts folks--this is some new purple hair super commie **** coming to steal you and your children's souls
06-23-2021 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
If you're standing in KG3's shoes the founding fathers/our ancestors look like a bunch of radical leftist revolutionaries. It's no accident that the conservatives toss out commie to chum the waters at just about everything they don't like--it works like a frigging charm every time. And if any of the rank n file are having a tough time getting there--they have plenty of little helpers to coax them along. There are no new battle lines--they're basically the same as they have been for ages now. It's just easier to keep the troops' attention by re-packaging the same old thing as some new and novel threat. Basic marketing--these ain't no regular bleeding hearts folks--this is some new purple hair super commie **** coming to steal you and your children's souls
That's fine and all, but I've actually read the epistemology behind CRT/CT/Critical Pedology. I didn't rely up on anyone to explain it to me. That doesn't mean, there aren't people doing the very thing you're suggesting, and it doesn't mean there are people who don't buy it just on mere suggestion. I don't disagree that's going on from the Fox News types who are essentially using it as a political football.

Maybe you could argue the seed was planted from outside sources, but the fact remains is is this stuff is derived not from liberal thinkers, but critical theorist. That fact is routinely denied. Not only is it denied by progressives, the conclusions and virtues of critical theory are defended with conviction, in the same breath.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-23-2021 at 05:02 PM.
06-23-2021 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I mean, if CRT is truly exclusive of all other perspectives, and the military teaches multiple perspectives including CRT, it sounds like the military isn't teaching CRT at all, so really, there's nothing for you to worry about in our military.



Uh, which part and why is really important for any reasonable person to answer the question.
It's a rhetorical question. I know what happens to US soldiers who don't buy into the US military's dogma, specifically their equal opportunity policies. I doubt it's called equal opportunity anymore, though. (CRT says equal opportunity is racist).

The US military teaches a perspective.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-23-2021 at 05:07 PM.
06-23-2021 , 05:25 PM


This is a teacher.

The logical conclusion of Marxism, is revolution.
06-23-2021 , 05:34 PM


06-23-2021 , 05:52 PM
IHIV,

Do you recognize that this issue of CRT was suddenly 'found' and elevated by the 'right' as a great concern as the 'Next Brown Menace' election platform plank?

Can and will you admit that regardless of whether or not you think you come to it and at it, honestly?


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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Very similar outrage to what we saw back when Trump was touting the brown menace heading towards the US border and how he was going to save America by building the Wall.

Funny how that went away post 2018 Midterms.


Very similar outrage to what we saw going in to the 2020 GE, when Trump was touting the new brown menace, ANTIFA and how "they" were coming to a suburbs near you.

Funny how that went away post 2020 GE.

Hmm, what is coming up in 2022? I wonder? Hmmmmm?????

I also wonder if the 'white' errrr I mean 'right' has identified a new brown menace to try and whip up fears over and if there are still are people dumb enough to not see how these things are manufactured and fed to them.

Lucky, should you not be the loudest voice telling IHIV how easily he is being manipulated?
06-23-2021 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
That's fine and all, but I've actually read the epistemology behind CRT/CT/Critical Pedology. I didn't rely up on anyone to explain it to me.
lol, you're whole raison d'etre ITT is to regurgitate a small handful of right wing twitter accounts. "Read the epistemology" "didn't rely on anyone" lolololololololol
06-23-2021 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
IHIV,

Do you recognize that this issue of CRT was suddenly 'found' and elevated by the 'right' as a great concern as the 'Next Brown Menace' election platform plank?

Can and will you admit that regardless of whether or not you think you come to it and at it, honestly?
Grievance Studies Affair.


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Taking place over 2017 and 2018, their project entailed submitting bogus papers to academic journals in cultural, queer, race, gender, fat, and sexuality studies to determine if they would pass through peer review and be accepted for publication. Several of these papers were subsequently published, which the authors cited in support of their contention.
But besides that, it's been around for a while. First it was social justice warriors, (kind of the first term I remember being associated with it), political correctness, then it was cancel culture, then it was woke, now it is critical race theory. The difference between the previous ones, and CRT is the fact there was no real epistemology associated with the others. It was just a phenomenon. There were many debates here, and elsewhere about social justice warriors, and the epistemology. Most of those discussions revolved around the fact social justice warrior didn't really have any clear definition. It was too ambiguous of a term and it wasn't really accurate in describing the bent of mind. Many people, including some of the staunches progressives, denied it even existence. Similar to how some of the initial posters in this thread indicated it was some obscure academia topic.

I do know Trump capitalized on it once Chris Rufo started to report on it and exposed it's presence as a part of public institutions. Many would argue Trump had no idea this stuff was going on until Rufo brought it to his attention, which resulted in the executive order. Politicians follow the culture, not the other way around. I do know there's many people that are just using it to paint the lefties is bad. Yes, it's being politicized. Trump resonated when he struck back at cancel culture... He damn sure leveraged it for his own good.

This is one of the reasons why I cite James Lindsey more than Rufo. James Lindsey was involved in the grievance studies affair I talked about before. This is when I became aware of it. It wasn't that big of a deal to me because it was strictly within academia, so I didn't pay too much attention to it.

Now can you distinguish between the more intellectual disagreements with critical race theory and the politicization that's going on with? Of course, these two things are not mutually exclusive, but it does appear you guys conflate the political objections with the intellectual objections.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-23-2021 at 06:24 PM.
06-23-2021 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
G The difference between the previous ones, and CRT is the fact there was no real epistemology associated with the others. It was just a phenomenon. There were many debates here, and elsewhere about social justice warriors, and the epistemology. Most of those discussions revolved around the fact social justice warrior didn't really have any clear definition. It was too ambiguous of a term and it wasn't really accurate in describing the bent of mind. Many people, including some of the staunches progressives, denied it even existence. Similar to how some of the initial posters in this thread indicated it was some obscure academia topic.

I do know Trump capitalized on it once Chris Rufo started to report on it and exposed it's presence as a part of public institutions. Many would argue Trump had no idea this stuff was going on until Rufo brought it to his attention, which resulted in the executive order. Politicians follow the culture, not the other way around. I do know there's many people that are just using it to paint the lefties is bad. Yes, it's being politicized. Trump resonated when he struck back at cancel culture... He damn sure leveraged it for his own good.

This is one of the reasons why I cite James Lindsey more than Rufo. James Lindsey was involved in the grievance studies affair I talked about before. This is when I became aware of it. It wasn't that big of a deal to me because it was strictly within academia, so I didn't pay too much attention to it.

Now can you distinguish between the more intellectual disagreements with critical race theory and the politicization that's going on with? Of course, these two things are not mutually exclusive, but it does appear you guys conflate the political objections with the intellectual objections.
Man I don't know. Given that no one here still doesn't know what you're talking about and you defined critical race theory as being ambiguous and we've seen a lot of bleed over from being opposed to critical race theory to being opposed to generic diversity training, I'm going to say they're nearly identical

In any case, this is going to be the Republican case de jure just like the Tea Party

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Former top aides to President Donald Trump have begun an aggressive push to combat the teaching of critical race theory and capitalize on the issue politically, confident that a backlash will vault them back into power.

These officials, including Trump’s former campaign chief and two former budget advisers, have poured money and organizational muscle into the fight. They’ve aided activists who are pushing back against the concept that racism has been systemic to American society and institutions after centuries of slavery and Jim Crow. And some of them have begun working with members of Congress to bar the military from holding diversity trainings and to withhold federal funds from schools and colleges that promote anything that can be packaged as critical race theory.


The immediate goal, two Trump alumni said, is to get legislative language included in a must-pass bill. The larger one is to harness a national movement that could unseat Democrats.

“This is the Tea Party to the 10th power,” Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser who has zeroed in on local school board fights over critical race theory, said in an interview. “This isn’t Q, this is mainstream suburban moms — and a lot of these people aren’t Trump voters.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-theory-495712

I'd say the difference is that no one outside of the actual Koch brothers actually cared about deficit spending or the deficit because the the real driving force was to link Obama to Marxism and spending money on undesirables and in this case it's to link critical race theory to Marxism and spending on undesirables, reparations and diversity training expenses, so I'd say people will actually be more engaged. None of that need to care about abstract things about the budget.

What's the real question is how quickly Democrats give in to defang Republicans' attempt to politicize it. No politician is really going to die on the hill of whether people say objectivity is racist vs objectivity has been used by racists so they'll be more than willing to give a bit.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 06-23-2021 at 07:03 PM.
06-23-2021 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas


This is a teacher.

The logical conclusion of Marxism, is revolution.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
lol, you're whole raison d'etre ITT is to regurgitate a small handful of right wing twitter accounts. "Read the epistemology" "didn't rely on anyone" lolololololololol

Lol.

The woke tells me, explicitly, what their ideology is. I go read about critical race theory, and see that it's a critical theory. I learned more about that, and I read about Critical Pedology. It's not complicated.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-23-2021 at 07:45 PM.
06-23-2021 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
...... I'm embarrassed for you.
We all are
06-23-2021 , 08:00 PM
Joy Reid is the best
06-23-2021 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
What's the real question is how quickly Democrats give in to defang Republicans' attempt to politicize it. No politician is really going to die on the hill of whether people say objectivity is racist vs objectivity has been used by racists so they'll be more than willing to give a bit.
There's a reason why the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff testified about it. Seems to me, Democrats are going all in on it.

The military adoption is fairly terrible.

The US military operates on a fundamental principle, subjugation to civilian leadership, and the chain of command. It also disassociates politics. It doesn't stop service members from engaging in political activities off-duty. The only time you can violate an order, is if it's illegal or immoral. The US military is also committed to its TTP's, techniques, tactics, and procedures. That's from pay to equal opportunity. The US military also operates on uniformity. You must follow policy and regulations.

Critical race theory gives them a new code. They have a moral and ethnical obligation to upend systemic racism. All systems are racist, and anyone upholding that system is a racist.

Two issues with this:

1. If you dispute anything taught in critical race theory, it upholds systems of racism, which makes you a racist. You will be kicked out of the military for being a racist. That's not really a big concern. Except you're going to turn the military into an ideological unit, which it is not supposed to be, nor do you want it to be. They also sworn to protect and defend the US.

2. A moral and ethical obligation in upending systemic racism could result in a military coupe, and outright mutiny, if they think the POTUS is a racist. I'm not saying this is likely, but with critical race involved, you make it that much easier. It provides a moral justification.
06-23-2021 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Lol.

The woke tells me, explicitly, what their ideology is. I go read about critical race theory, and see that it's a critical theory. I learned more about that, and I read about Critical Pedology. It's not complicated.
Throwing back in my face a right wing twitter account that selectively curates out of context nobodies for your amusement is some sort of rebuttal of my point? It's like you couldn't be less self-aware if you tried.
06-23-2021 , 08:30 PM


Just amazing.

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Abigail Bakan

Bakan was chair of the Department of Humanities, Social Sciences and Social Justice Education at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education of the University of Toronto from 2013 to 2018 and after the end of her term remains a professor in the department.[2] Her research focuses on employment equity, Marxist theory and "anti-oppression politics".[3]

From 1998 to 2013, she was Professor of Political Studies at Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada after being an associate and then assistant professor at the university from 1985 until 1998. From 2011 to 2013 she served as Head of the Department of Gender Studies at Queen's.
Want more receipts?

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