Survey results would suggest that it's education and not wealth (or race) that is the factor. There are plenty of recent immigrant groups that aren't doing so great and plenty that are.

https://www.axios.com/immigration-un...dd6b1de3f.html

Definitely some trends there. European immigrants doing better than others and with a flatter distribution. I also wonder what's with the Saudis.
The percentage of black Americans with a degree (around 25%) would put their income pretty much on par with all the other groups where 25% have degrees fwiw.

Go take a quick look at the kinds of visas we offer. Skilled/prof. labor/investors/some unskilled etc is 1 big category with a bunch of special/more narrowly defined subgroups then there's stuff like family/marriage adoption limited diversity visas. And then there's the list of other reqs/things that can disqualify you etc. One of the reqs is demonstrating financial support.

This doesn't at all say that it's not wealth. It says there's a correlation with income and education. You know what else correlates with education? Wealth.

Do you know anything other than racism, that correlates with black poverty?

Yes.

Many factors chief amongst such as we increasingly cherry pick immigrant applicants based on education and wealth and they do not show up with the legacy of very targeted racism that AA have faced.

I would say race is the biggest underlying factor playing direct and indirect roles in so many (maybe all) of the other factors.

It's not that difficult. According to the Law of Large Numbers the probability that AAs would end up in their current socioeconomic status sans racism is effectively zero.

There are receipts.

Exist versus persist. If we removed all racism today, the disparate social economic disadvantages black people have, would persist, because they're generational issues, i.e. incarceration, addiction, teenage pregnancy et al.

We get it. You oppose all work towards racial equality regardless of the school(s) of thought that propose ways of working towards it, and you slap the CRITICAL RACE THEORY label on to scare people and discredit it.

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So the receipt that critical race theory is being taught to students is that someone was hired to do a presentation to teachers as part of professional development?

No, I posted that tidbit to further demonstrate who is getting rich off this stuff, and who's paying for it.

Well, I posted/cited endless criticisms concerning critical race theory...as has LB.

No, you haven't. You've repeated the (plainly stupid, superficial, and untrue) claim that critical race theory = critical theory = MARXISM like we're all supposed to be terrified of that, and you've made some vaguely white supremacist claims like we can't possibly question ending Euro-centrism in our world history instruction in schools, and that capitalism and individualism and rationalism and the Enlightenment are undeniable forces for good (for white people), without actually backing any of those claims up with anything more than your own surety.

Writing words is not the same thing as actually having made a meaningful criticism.

Maybe that's because some acts of racial discrimination set up new equilibriums that continue to persist even after the initial causative element is removed. We don't have to go all determinist to agree that for the most part people play the hands they're dealt in about the same way producing about the same outcomes. I think that's how we should look at society or at least the humans who partake in it. That seems fair.

See, none of this is accurate, and only serves to obfuscate. Starting with you stressing it isn't Marxist, and you would likely argue that it isn't even a Marxist dialect.


I'll ask you the same question I ask everybody and yet to actually get an answer to this precise question...

Distinguish critical race theory from critical theory. What does critical race theory do differently than critical theory?

It's kind of a loaded question because critical theory is a marxian method of analysis... Critical race theory is a marxian method of analysis applied to race.

It's like saying a centimeter isn't metric.

You can go on about how it's not Marxism... It only highlights your own ignorance of what's being discussed.

It's not surprising that extremist proponents are deeply entrenched in Marxism.





Whatever name you want to ascribe to it this week, it doesn't change that it's all based on Marxian analysis.

Create a list of synonyms for revolution and you'll find those sentiments all through critical race theory literature.

It's a top down strategy on the right.



They are obviously wrong on the merits, hence they are forced to lie all the time. But it will be interesting to see if it works as an election strategy.

Good luck getting him to acknowledge the bolded.

We discussed, at length, one of the clearest and worst new equilibriums (tilted playing fields) which is the way Farm Subsidy money is given by gov't to Farms.

Government Agencies have admitted they have abused in the past and present Farmers who were POC and taken their Farms from them and re-allocated them and their resources to White Owned Farms.

Those white owned Farms as a result super dominate the market acreage nad production) in percentages they never did prior (98% ownership).

He does not dispute any of that PAST abuse.

But he also sees nothing wrong or no racial inequity in the gov't NOW switching to giving taxpayer money based on 'Production' as IHIV says 'Production is not raced based and thus is ok'.

So the prior field tilting and shift in productions to WHite Owned farms is not to be considered as White Owned Farms get 98% of all new money from gov't and use that to further advantage themselves versus POC owned Farms and thus increasing their share the next time around.

The system has been set up to perpetuate forever the expansion of white owned farms at the expense of POC but he argues its fine as long as they use production.

You're six times as likely to go to prison if you had a parent go to prison. I personally don't believe racism has that degree of impact today.


https://www.prb.org/resources/parent...oral-problems/

That thing I just said you did a lot, where you go Critical Race Theory = Critical Theory = MARXISM!!!!!!, this is you doing it again rather than making any sort of meaningful point.

To the extent that Critical Race Theory is critiquing society with an eye towards changing it, which is a loose definition of Critical Theory, it is that. Just because Marx did that is no reason to be scared of it. Lots of people talk about wanting to change society, including people who want to Make America Great Again. If your definition of Marxism includes any sort of normative commentary on the status and/or history of society (because that's Critical Theory), then just about every politician out there in either party is a Marxist, rendering you're whole bit of scaremongering pointless.

Proposed changes to society don't become good or bad based on whether or not they can be labeled Critical Race Theory, but that's your whole aim in this thread, to label any proposals that might improve racial equality as CRITICAL RACE THEORY and therefore MARXIST and therefore bad. It's stupid.

Even if we were to believe that racism today is 100% dead and done with, and if your claim here is true, then we would expect that Black people would be perpetually over-imprisoned due to the over policing of their grandparents by overtly racist police forces, which results in their parents being in jail, which results in them being in jail.

If you think that's just how it goes, can't do anything about that, and it's definitely not racist, you're a racist.

Proposed? Are you still pretending this stuff isn't being pushed to public school children? (Whatever it is you want to call it this week...)

With that said there's substantial and significant criticism with critical theory-type analysis.

The government sucks at rehabilitation. No cure (and CRT isn't a cure) for racism it's going to fix that. No amount of further or re-racialization of society is going to fix that.

This is a criticism of critical race theory or whatever it is you're calling it this week (so you can obfuscate what it is..)

OK great.

Do you think police over policing POC. Govt laws targeting POC. And the overall disproportionate jailing of POC is a thing of the far off generational past, or do you acknowledge it is still happening today as we see thru body cam footage and various studies of laws (on drugs, etc) and their impact?

Do you deny the line from unbalanced race based policing and laws to disproportionate jailing of POC parents thus leading to disproportionate jailing of their kids??