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06-17-2021 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
McWhorter is a linguist and Ivy League professor you goof
Nothing but lols
And Thomas Sowell is an economist at Stanford. Funny how academics cease being a spooky monolith of indoctrination deserving of unlimited skepticism and start being inarguable sources of unshakable truth when they're telling you things you want to hear, no?
06-17-2021 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
And Thomas Sowell is an economist at Stanford. Funny how academics cease being a spooky monolith of indoctrination deserving of unlimited skepticism and start being inarguable sources of unshakable truth when they're telling you things you want to hear, no?
I'm just going to continue to laugh at you for calling John McWhorter a racist anti-semite fwiw.
06-17-2021 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I don't have any stats in front of me but I'm assuming he's taking about AA's having disproportionally lower test scores.
Why do they on average have lower test scores? We can agree it's environmental as opposed to genetic? Whether it be a higher % coming from broken homes, subpar schools, poverty, etc...
Haven't we all agreed since the George Floyd thread that historical, systemic/structural racism has contributed to this position? From the GI Bill as a govt example and redlining as a private sector example?
Beyond arguing what the govt should do to make amends for this, shouldn't it also be taught in school as a historical fact so it hopefully doesn't happen again?
06-17-2021 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm just going to continue to laugh at you for calling John McWhorter a racist anti-semite fwiw.
He seems to come from a pretty privileged background being raised by two academic parents. Sometimes it can come off like he's sitting on his high horse telling people facing vastly different circumstances than him to suck it up and straighten up.

I also enjoy listening to him but it's not like he pulled himself out of the ghetto to get where he is.
06-17-2021 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I also enjoy listening to him but it's not like he pulled himself out of the ghetto to get where he is.
He didn't but many others who think like him, such as Sowell, did.
06-17-2021 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Height is something you're born with, it's a heritable quality. It's literally using height to represent disparity between the three people. It's literally using an inherent characteristic to illustrate disparities between the three people.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your inability to see things from another point of view.

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I completely get that you don't think that's racist.
Actually, I already explained (more than once) that I see the cartoon completely different than you do, so you should already know that this is nonsense. Whether you have that much difficulty with reading comprehension and logic, or are just being disingenuous, I have no idea.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Metaphors are far too complex
So it would seem.
06-17-2021 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your inability to see things from another point of view.





Actually, I already explained (more than once) that I see the cartoon completely different than you do, so you should already know that this is nonsense. Whether you have that much difficulty with reading comprehension and logic, or are just being disingenuous, I have no idea.





So it would seem.
I think the cute part about labeling that cartoon racist is that it's like reverse wokeism.
I find it somewhat amusing but turns into a Sean Hannitty bit if taken too far
06-17-2021 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
What makes all the different dialects of Marxist analysis, Marxist analyst? Besides economics.
The author ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School


Like Karl Marx, the Frankfurt School concerned themselves with the conditions (political, economic, societal) that allow for social change realized by way of rational social institutions.[6] Their emphasis on the critical component of social theory derived from their attempts to overcome the ideological limitations of positivism, materialism, and determinism by returning to the critical philosophy of Kant and his successors in German idealism – principally the philosophy of Hegel, which emphasized dialectic and contradiction as intellectual properties inherent to the human grasp of material reality.


The Fox News set doesn't know who Kant or Hegel is so it's best to say 'Marxist' as they'll ignorantly assume that means 'communist'.

Easy game.
06-17-2021 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Dude, this is pretty much made up garbage.

CRT is called Marxist because the writings of Marx influenced Critical Theory when it was developed in The Frankfurt School.

Critiquing CRT from the CT perspective would make some sense but you don't even seem to understand what you're trying to say at this point.
I'm guessing you've never actually read a word of Marx or anything from anyone associated with Frankfurt because this is nothing but a rehashing of Jordan Peterson's "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" hot takes which are actually just anti-Semitic dog whistles.
06-17-2021 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I don't have any stats in front of me but I'm assuming he's taking about AA's having disproportionally lower test scores.
Why do they on average have lower test scores? We can agree it's environmental as opposed to genetic?
HIV's smart enough to not say this part out loud.
06-17-2021 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
I'm guessing you've never actually read a word of Marx or anything from anyone associated with Frankfurt because this is nothing but a rehashing of Jordan Peterson's "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" hot takes which are actually just anti-Semitic dog whistles.
No, I'm certainly not a philosophy major. If I were I would have spotted hiv's garbage much earlier. It took me about 30 minutes of google clicking at the wiki level to figure out his theory was garbage.

If it's not even his theory and he's butchering Peterson's garbage then....even funnier.
06-17-2021 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
HIV's smart enough to not say this part out loud.
It's like Las Vegas spending 1 billion dollars on a stadium instead of investing in education, then cutting their education budget.

But you knew that...

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-17-2021 at 08:12 AM.
06-17-2021 , 08:04 AM
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https://www.amherst.edu/academiclife...PHIL-366-1314S

A "critical theory" has a distinctive aim: to unmask the ideology falsely justifying some form of social or economic oppression—to reveal it as ideology—and, in so doing, to contribute to the task of ending that oppression. And so, a critical theory aims to provide a kind of enlightenment about social and economic life that is itself emancipatory: persons come to recognize the oppression they are suffering as oppression and are thereby partly freed from it.


Later social theorists in what came to be called the Frankfurt School—Horkheimer, Adorno, Marcuse, and Habermas—develop and refine this Marxian project of providing a critical theory of capitalist economic and social relations.
I always have the receipts. Critical race theorist are doing the same thing as the Frankfort School.

None of you can distinguish that top paragraph from critical race theory.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-17-2021 at 08:10 AM.
06-17-2021 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I always have the receipts. Critical race theorist are doing the same thing as the Frankfort School.

None of you can distinguish that top paragraph from critical race theory.

Pretty much. (wow)
06-17-2021 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Metaphors are far too complex
Comicstrips trying to capture complex topics within a small series of images are never using metaphor. They are always to be taken literarly and i can give you the literal (and only) interpretation that is to be taken as fact.



Imagine how stupid this comic strip is suggesting the perfect soldier would have a big brawny body and yet no head. Great, he is a standing prop that can do nothing.

They are literally suggesting an attribute that is unchangeable (no head) as desirable, despite the fact it would make the person unable to do anything.

LOLOLOLOL, checkmate cartoonist I exposed your cartoon as wrong and dumb by simply taking it literally.

/IHIV
06-17-2021 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Comicstrips trying to capture complex topics within a small series of images are never using metaphor. They are always to be taken literarly and i can give you the literal (and only) interpretation that is to be taken as fact.



Imagine how stupid this comic strip is suggesting the perfect soldier would have a big brawny body and yet no head. Great, he is a standing prop that can do nothing.

They are literally suggesting an attribute that is unchangeable (no head) as desirable, despite the fact it would make the person unable to do anything.

LOLOLOLOL, checkmate cartoonist I exposed your cartoon as wrong and dumb by simply taking it literally.

/IHIV
Why is the doctor wearing a dress ?

You are obviously a sexist.
06-17-2021 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's like Las Vegas spending 1 billion dollars on a stadium instead of investing in education, then cutting their education budget.

But you knew that...
Why would I know about the local politics of Las Vegas sportsball stadiums?
06-17-2021 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's like Las Vegas spending 1 billion dollars on a stadium instead of investing in education, then cutting their education budget.

But you knew that...
Nah, it's more like meeting the man of my dreams, and then meeting his beautiful wife.
06-17-2021 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm just going to continue to laugh at you for calling John McWhorter a racist anti-semite fwiw.
You're welcome to explain why you think it's so self-evidently untrue, but this guy's wikipedia article isn't doing him any favors:

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Views on racism

In a 2001 article, McWhorter wrote that black attitudes, rather than white racism, were what held black people back. According to McWhorter, "victimology, separatism, and anti-intellectualism underlie the general black community’s response to all race-related issues," and "it’s time for well-intentioned whites to stop pardoning as 'understandable' the worst of human nature whenever black people exhibit it."
We literally have a word for people who think that the lower station of Black people in society is not really due to structural racism but because they are, at least on average, much worse people.
06-17-2021 , 10:25 AM
So he’s like the thinking man’s Bill Cosby, minus the raping.
06-17-2021 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You're welcome to explain why you think it's so self-evidently untrue, but this guy's wikipedia article isn't doing him any favors:







We literally have a word for people who think that the lower station of Black people in society is not really due to structural racism but because they are, at least on average, much worse people.
If you keep calling McWhorter a racist here every day I'll be really happy.
Especially if you keep doing that while citing Wikipedia.
I think it's great and could read that all the time for lols.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 06-17-2021 at 10:33 AM.
06-17-2021 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You're welcome to explain why you think it's so self-evidently untrue, but this guy's wikipedia article isn't doing him any favors:



We literally have a word for people who think that the lower station of Black people in society is not really due to structural racism but because they are, at least on average, much worse people.

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Death rates among under-educated whites (those with a high school education or less) have now surpassed blacks overall in America. In fact, mortality rates are 30 percent higher for whites between the ages of 50-54 than for blacks overall of the same age, the Princeton economists – Anne Case and Angus Deaton – said in a study released by the Brookings Institution.
http://www.usnews.com/news/at-the-ed...%3fcontext=amp
It's always quite interesting when MrWookie exposes his rationale. He sees people who make bad decisions, as worse people, instead of people making bad decisions. So, when he sees someone criticizing behavior, he believes they are criticizing something inherent. Or more cynically, he transposes his belief that people who make bad decisions, are bad people. So, when somebody criticizes behavior, he explicitly believes those folks are calling those people bad people.

He's never been able to distinguish the nuance between bad people and unproductive/counterproductive behavior, but for him, that inability only exists for black people, as a group. For white people, he has no problem calling out bad behavior, and ultimately calling the group bad people. It's actually saying black people have no agency in regards to behavior, while white people do.

Whether or not McWhorter's criticism is valid or not, MrWookie doesn't realize MrWookie does the exact same thing to white people, as McWhorter does to black people. If John McWhorter is a racist, so is wookie, according to his rationale.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-17-2021 at 10:47 AM.
06-17-2021 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's always quite interesting when MrWookie exposes his rationale. He sees people who make bad decisions, as worse people, instead of people making bad decisions. So, when he sees someone criticizing behavior, he believes they are criticizing something inherent. Or more cynically, he transposes his belief that people who make bad decisions, are bad people. So, when somebody criticizes behavior, he explicitly believes those folks are calling those people bad people.

He's never been able to distinguish the nuance between bad people and unproductive/counterproductive behavior, but for him, that inability only exists for black people, as a group. For white people, he has no problem calling out bad behavior, and ultimately calling the group bad people. It's actually saying black people have no agency in regards to behavior, while white people do.

Whether or not McWhorter's criticism is valid or not, MrWookie doesn't realize MrWookie does the exact same thing to white people, as McWhorter does to black people.
"Worse people" is an obvious snarky shorthand about my opponents, not a sincerely held belief of my own, but hey, you keep beatin' that straw man.

But how about you explain what you think the distinction is between "a group people who make worse decisions on average" and "worse people?" What nuance do you see there that even makes a difference? Why can't making bad decisions make someone a worse person? Certainly some decisions, like deciding to commit murder, make someone a worse person?

Last edited by MrWookie; 06-17-2021 at 10:56 AM.
06-17-2021 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If you keep calling McWhorter a racist here every day I'll be really happy.
Especially if you keep doing that while citing Wikipedia.
I think it's great and could read that all the time for lols.
How would you differentiate his views on the issues holding blacks back as opposed to that Wiki summary, as it seems you are suggesting that quote is wrong, correct?

I ask earnestly as someone who is not familiar with that individual at any deep level and am curious as to how you view him in that regard.
06-17-2021 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
How would you differentiate his views on the issues holding blacks back as opposed to that Wiki summary, as it seems you are suggesting that quote is wrong, correct?



I ask earnestly as someone who is not familiar with that individual at any deep level and am curious as to how you view him in that regard.
Those quotes seem exactly like McWhorter. But he's certainly not calling black people "much worse people".

      
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