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Originally Posted by 5 south
Hard to keep up with this thread so I'll probably just hit and run but before there was free flowing govt farm subsidies (50, 60, 70 years ago?) there were bank loans to help stay afloat?
I'm going to wildly speculate that 60+ years ago, loan terms and approvals were not level between black and white farmers in rural America.
Going to give that pesky systemic racism the nod here.
Yes. I posted a link that shows over a hundred years of gov't abuse and court rulings about how the various farming gov't agencies selectively gave the subsidies to White farmers while excluding all others.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
That said...Cuepee, your point seems pretty clear. But I don't get the unwillingness to discuss solutions.
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I won't 'move on' because that is exactly what they want. They do not want to acknowledge or admit that this is EXACTLY HOW the overt racism of the prio age gets Institutionalized in the current age in a way they conveniently argue is FAIR and not maintaining a race imbalance (thus not racist).
Todays Institutional Racism is not about using bad words. It is not about using overt direct policy like in the past to exclude some and include another.
What is addressed by TODAYS instructional racism is how a system of gov't interference is in place that protects the prior advantages given to Whites in more crafty ways.
Just as TODAYS voter suppression does not target POC by their color but it is still racist. Instead they just look at key data and ask themselves 'where do POC live' 'What type of ID's do they carry', 'What habits do they practice" and then gov't officials try to make it more difficult in each and everyone of those areas to vote KNOWING the disparate impact will hit POC more.
I am sure Lucky and IHIV would say 'those also impact poor white people and thus CANNOT be racist' but they are racist.
But those who want to protect the current power dynamic don't want that to be accepted as that is how they use gov't to keep power and white wash what is being done.
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
That was apparently a big reason why a lot of black people lost their farms. Their does seem to be all sorts of systemic racism issues here. Which no one is denying afaict. The only debate is about whether the current subsidies are also/still racist.
Do you agree Lucky that the current subsidies have Institutionalized the PRIOR gained advantage and make it almost impossible for any competitors to break that in the way any normal business competitors would where subsidies are not being poured in?
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You are incorrect, there is and were some black owned farms in the top 20%. You should read about the Jenkins family in Alabama. I don't really get why you assume there isn't or weren't any ultra successful black farmers.
There's 3.2 million white farmers, 80% of which are in the same boat as POC. When an overwhelming majority of the racial group you're saying got elevated isn't actually elevated, that's pretty clear evidence, you're full of s***.
This changes nothing I said in that post. If you want just read my post as 'Substantially and Overwhelming All White' which is accurate given the 98%.