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CNN.comhttps://www.cnn.com › 2023/03/24 › aiden-fucci-sentenc...

24.03.2023 — A judge sentenced Aiden Fucci – the Florida teenager convicted of first-degree murder for stabbing a 13-year-old over 100 times in 2021 – to ...

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24.03.2023 — Aiden Fucci was sentenced Friday to life in prison for fatally stabbing Florida cheerleader Tristyn Bailey 114 times.

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24.03.2023 — Teen killer Aiden Fucci, 16, who stabbed 13-year-old cheerleader and schoolmate Tristyn Bailey 114 times, has been sentenced to life in ...

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Nearly two years after stabbing 13-year-old Tristyn Bailey 114 times killing her, Aiden Fucci, 16, learned Friday he is sentenced to life in ...

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01-01-2024 , 03:01 PM

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BUT NOT LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE WASHOE!!!!
Jasus.

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BUT NOT LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE WASHOE!!!!
Jasus.

nobody argued the parole thing.

I think first degree murder is an automatic death or life sentence btw in florida. I could be wrong.

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BUT NOT LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE WASHOE!!!!
Jasus.

do you think they let the guy out in 25 years? or ever?
he was 14 at the time. there are many more in prison now, most of these school shooters were minors. do you think they ever let them out?

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Probably. Some parole board members may even be heard muttering soemthing about them not being the same person they were.

We can also expect advances in alternatives to prison

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01-01-2024 , 03:36 PM

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We can also expect advances in alternatives to prison

Well, not any time soon, I wouldn't think. And, given what the authorities are like, the alternatives might be in some ways worse. You'll recall that Alan Turing's 'alternative to prison' was to agree to be put on Lupron. Mind, I think he'd completed the course and come off the drug (now used as a 'puberty-blocker') by the time of his death. I'm not sure anyone knows exactly what led to his death, but that whole business clearly didn't help.

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We're talking decades. Could even be 50+ years. Much will change

The treatment of Turing was just unbelievably bad. I've read that even the chemical castration option was offered after special intervention by Churchil to 'help'. Otherwise it would have been hard labour. (Or freedom and great honours if he had been upper class).

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Probably. Some parole board members may even be heard muttering soemthing about them not being the same person they were.

We can also expect advances in alternatives to prison

the parents? did receive 30-60 days for tampering with evidence or something. the mother tried to wash the blood soaked cloth for which she got busted. for that she received 30-60 days and 5 year probabtion.

if a dog kills someone, the dog owner goes to prison here,
at least he gets fined. is that different in the UK?

how much would he get in the uk?
also 25 years?

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Four years is the longest I can find for a dog owner on a quick google. Less than 2 years seems more common.

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01-01-2024 , 04:06 PM

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what if all major news sites say its a life sentence.

when I bring you 3 major newspapers that said life, I won, ok?

Are you totally incapable of the most basic reading comprehension? I said juveniles can't be given life without parole. You keep saying "but but he got life". I keep saying "yes, with parole". And you're like "let me show you a bunch of articles saying he was given life". Ok. With. Parole. JFC, my 5 year old nephew has better comprehension than you do.

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Four years is the longest I can find for a dog owner on a quick google. Less than 2 years seems more common.

they can get life sentence now in extreme cases.

here are 14 teen years:
"Owners of killer dogs face 14 years in jail"
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nalty-14-years

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nobody argued the parole thing.

I think first degree murder is an automatic death or life sentence btw in florida. I could be wrong.

You argued the parole thing. Go back and read your own posts.

There is no such thing as an automatic death sentence. And life without parole sentences and death sentences are not available for juveniles, even when tried as an adult.

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alright alright
you said nothing wrong. (technically)

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there are, sort of automatic penalties but whatever.
ok

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so they cut them sone slack, thats what youre saying.

but they still wont let them out, ever. right?

I am saying that life without parole sentences for juveniles have been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. That makes it illegal to give a juvenile a LWOP sentence in the US. I wouldn't call that "cutting slack" but that's semantics.

They'll go up for a parole hearing like everyone else. If they have behaved themselves in prison, they have the same chance of getting out as anyone else with a parole date. If they have a long institutional record of infractions, or they have caught additional time for crimes committed inside, then no, they won't get out. Just like anyone else with a life sentence.

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do you think they let the guy out in 25 years? or ever?
he was 14 at the time. there are many more in prison now, most of these school shooters were minors. do you think they ever let them out?

It's not a whole natural life sentence. Parole is an option. Re your other post, you stated minors were given the dp in the US and it was pointed out to you that this was incorrect. You also very much did argue on parole and appear not to know the difference between a life with parole sentence and one without and... here we are.

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there are, sort of automatic penalties but whatever.
ok

In all US jurisdictions I am aware of, a death sentence has to be given by a jury, in most jurisdictions unanimously, in some by a majority. So, there is no such thing as an automatic death sentence, even in a death penalty case - the jury can still come back with a life sentence.

Also, it is always at the discretion of the prosecutor whether to make a case a death penalty case. There is no scenario under which the prosecutor is mandated to try for the death penalty.

You are right that there are a lot of jurisdictions where life without parole is mandated for first degree murder for adults, and the sentence is automatic upon conviction.

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Better at chess or how would think a person changes?

Many (most?) people on this forum tell me that being in prison for awhile makes one more likely to commit crimes in the future, not less. That doesn't make a good argument for parole.

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Many (most?) people on this forum tell me that being in prison for awhile makes one more likely to commit crimes in the future, not less. That doesn't make a good argument for parole.

It also makes a good argument for locking people up for life for any offence, if you take it to its logical conclusion.

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nobody argued the parole thing.

Yes, you did.

D2 said minors cannot be given life without parole. You said they could be, and referenced that murder.

Can you really be this dense?

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they can get life sentence now in extreme cases.

here are 14 teen years:
"Owners of killer dogs face 14 years in jail"
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nalty-14-years

So now you think 14 years is a life sentence too?

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It also makes a good argument for locking people up for life for any offence, if you take it to its logical conclusion.

Life in prison for any violent offense would be ideal, IMO.

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Life in prison for any violent offense would be ideal, IMO.

Good thing you're not in charge, really.

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It makes a very good agrument against prison wherever possible

also a very good argument for improving prisons dramatically

(Not that thes arguments weren't already compelling)

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