You seem very excited about the earth being flat. If you want to believe it then believe it. Debating flat earthers is kind of pointless in the same way debating any zealot is pointless. Disproving a negative is what riggies and zealots of all sorts cling to, but the pointlessness of trying to debate them does not mean that their beliefs have any validity.

Nobody could prove you are not secretly an alien from Neptune here to recruit people to invade Uranus. We just take it at face value that you are actually from Saturn but still want to really explore and probe Uranus.

All the best.

Pretty easy.

Very difficult to impossible, depending on the flat earther. Only way to do it is to get them to commit to an experiment that they would accept as definitive prior to seeing the results, and even then expect weaseling out of it.

If anyone wants to give it a go, our very own Mr Billy Shears is always waiting in SMP for you.

Hmmm?

Still confused by your statements.

If someone is determined to believe that there is a big Spaghetti Monster God being in the sky



There is no way for me to put up an argument to convince them to PROVE them wrong.

So i am not sure what point you are trying to make with that?

That said, if the person has enough money and we can bet, I can prove to them the earth is not flat very easily. We just need to charter two private jets and leave from a common point (New York) and have his pilot fly due west and mine due East and agree to meet somewhere in China.

On a flat earth you cannot leave a common point and fly in directly opposite directions and end up at the same point. On a flat earth you would always be moving further apart. On a spherical earth you pass the mid way point and you are flying closer together.

Many of us called it so I won't pretend I am special. BUt I did predict this exactly the second the Trump admin said that HHS would start being the gathering point for the data and not the CDC.


- first you lie with the message
- failing that you take hold of the data
- then you feed selective data back to the 'credible agency', the CDC
- then you demand the CDC put back up their dashboard utilizing the data you gave them thus using their credibility in messaging to deliver your flawed data

Propaganda 101.

I really suggest watching the entire 25 minute video if you really want to see the proof and how compelling it is that we are moving into a massive phase of significant data manipulation.





citing @shuffle for highlighting this info in the Coronavirus thread in BFI forum.

quoting myself.

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Moves like this below by the Federal Gov't are far more indicative of extreme curve sways than any other explanation. If you just remove mass numbers of tests, in challenged areas it will have a multi-pronged impact.

Major federal coronavirus testing site in Texas closing as cases surge[/QUOTE]

How the world reacts to the USA

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinio...uR1Q7XDew4CiSY

Who would have ever guessed the US would be in a battle royal with this clown and this country for 'worst choices and leader in handling Covid'?

Actually, after gaining insight and maturity I've learned these are the people I generally respect the most and are to be looked at as intelligent. Theres different kinds of intelligence in my opinion, and those who know their flaws and are willing to defer in areas that are not their field are to be admired in their own way.

Major League Baseball is in meltdown mode. Florida Marlins suspending season.

They had no choice. Other teams were refusing to travel there.

I remember when the FL Governor was bragging how he could host every team.

I think the 'host city' method is the only one that really has a chance to work. Both the NBA and NHL are using it.

Even in Florida, if for instance they brought all the teams, staff, officials, etc into Disney Parks, and kept them within a bubble with no outside contact with anyone not involved in baseball, and insured before starting that everyone was tested and cleared, long before and put on games, old school, with more open field and small fence, I think that could work.

you could even set up portable bleachers with real minimal and spread out seating to allow people at Disney to watch like they would a Sunday game at their local park but not enter the player bubble.


I think the Baseball and NFL models are doomed with the travel aspect. To many failure points.

I agree, but I think the bubble is more difficult to accomplish in MLB than it is in the NBA and the NHL. You have more players, the games are longer, and the fields require more maintenance. That means you need more housing, more fields, and more auxiliary personnel. I wonder if it is even possible to effectively manage a bubble as large as the one that would be necessary for MLB.

At start would be staying away from hotspots like Florida, Texas, California and Arizona.

They need to do it in Montana.

21 players on a NHL Roster and they are getting it done. Could have done two cities

I agree it would not be easy. It won't be easy for the NHL or NBA and they might fail and have to cancel too.

That said in theory a 'bubble' could work anywhere, including in the middle of a hot spot like Florida.

If for instance Disney would dedicate the land and set up a series of outdoor stadiums and send in all the required staff (ALL) well in advance of the players and test them and give them the as a group, the quarantine period, then if all those support staff are cleared you bring in the players and their team support, who have been testing regularly, you could do this.

It would require a true bubble similar to what you get in a crew in a space mission with everyone hired or playing committed to the duration of the season and not go in and out of the bubble.

For Disney, in what I am guessing is very under utilized parks they could get a big check from MLB and the Sponsors and responsibly allow park visitors to watch. And for the teams they would get a bubble that if set up correct at the start should near insure no breach or exposure.

I am probably being too flippant here, as something would likely go wrong. But in theory if they took a Nasa like approach to failure, it could work.

The main issue would be that pro athletes aint astronauts and when they leave the bubble to go to a rave they are not entering the vacuum of space, which can serve as an effective barrier.

Well in the two Canadian cities hosting all the NHL games and both with bubbles the players CANNOT leave the bubble. Not to rave, not to party, not to pee.

The bubble constitutes several buildings that have the rinks, the hotels, and a few amenities such as a movie theatre that they have contracted for their exclusive use. And they have fenced corridors connecting them all that no one outside the bubble can get thru.

The goal is literally to have zero contact with anyone outside the bubble for the duration.

Well, there will likely be stories of players leaving the bubbles. This may shock you, but 20-30 year olds who make a ton and have no responsibilities do not always make the best choices. Some can be funny ( one member of the Raptors was known to buy $5000 bottles of wine to go with his diet pepsi at Harbor 60), but a leaving bubble story will not have the same amusing spin to it when it happens.

Anyway, since they are in Canada at least they will not have as much risk when they leave their bubble.


Toronto population - 3 million. New cases today - 6.

Georgia population - 10.5 million. New cases each day - 3,000-5,000


Must be those protests (which took place in both places).

And you missed one important thing.

If its a Canadian player who sneaks out and gets busted outside the bubble at least he will say 'sorry'. lol.

Then prove it to me please. I have zero knowledge of the world. How do you do this besides appealing to authority?

most "knowledge" people have these days is from headlines and google searches

just a memory dump of useless information most people will forget by the end of the day which makes them believe they are smarter than they are ey

regular people walking around accepting everything scientific as fact is no different than some religious peasant 300 years ago

Video chat a friend well east or west from where you are. Each of you puts a yard stick vertically on the ground. Measure the shadow. If they aren't equal, the earth is not flat. With a bit more math, you can calculate the curvature.

TIWRAB

Are you familiar with the concept of "education"?

If Jesus had communicated a proof as to how he managed to turn water into wine, I'd be more inclined to believe it happened.

If I boil this down are you simply saying :

Religion = science = leap of faith