Yup.

I've said it many times.

You survive Covid the first time because you are healthy and without pre-exisitng conditions.

But covid leaves it scars. You are gifted your own set of 'pre-existing conditions' to carry with you forever after.

Now if Covid does come back yearly with slight mutations like the flu, you are now amongst those with pre-existing conditions most likely to die. HUZZAH!


Oh and just note that Trump and Co are doing their best to end all the protections for pre-existing conditions for big Insurance. The last thing Big Insurance wants is not to be able to take advantage of this next wave of Covid by kicking everyone out of Insurance pools and forcing them to buy more expensive insurance and being able to bankrupt them and liquidate their homes and life savings to generate record profits.

Oh what a huge opportunity that would be to lose as Covid is likely to spawn the biggest wave of pre existing conditions ever seen on this planet. TO not make record profits off that would be shameful.

Lol.

All I can do is lol at you. His story is extremely biased.

Just Lolol lol at you.

You are a clown you amuse me.

You centrist CNN watchers and your jousts at the media never fail to deliver. Every time one of you clowns reveals what you consider a reliable source of information it is instantly seen they are absolutely ridiculous.

As goofy noted, your guy is deliberating trying to be misleading with information as an attack on traditional media. You like him because he sells you the “msm is the debil” story line you lust after. Don’t worry about him being completely wrong and being fowardly deceptive.

His nonsense directly bolsters MSM not contradicts it.

He is lying.

It’s not a matter of not liking his story. It is that it is not true and he knows this and purposefully pushes it on unsuspecting nitwits.

Says the guy whose favorite source of information is a guy who lies about the facts.

Do your friends and family every just laugh at you?

(My apologies in advance if you do not have any friends or family)

I am concerned that they let people who are this undiscerning and stupid be intelligence agents.

You should be an expert at vetting information sources but you are worse than a candy crush cat lady on Facebook.

Everyone here who claims people can be non partisan are ALL extremely partisan and ridiculously biased.

Do you ever get a headache wearing a baseball cap?

I understand that you think the world fits your conception of left vs right. Unfortunately for you though it doesn't. We've covered this ground a bunch though so no sense in rehashing it too much.
But just lol @ thinking that non-partisans don't exist. That shows your extreme narrow mindedness in thinking that everyone is like yourself. They aren't. There are plenty of partisans here for sure. But there are also some people capable of independent thought.

Prior to yesterday, you had 4 posts ITT, one of which to shame public health officials who acknowledged the tradeoff between protesting police violence and COVID-19 (Trump's side), and one to just nakedly assert that Seattle and SF don't care for the homeless that has nothing to do with anything else here, and one supporting Trump's rally. Then you popped in to post a twitter thread from a guy pushing a transparently Trumpian narrative, that the media is lying to people about COVID-19. Since then, your Trumpian posts have been superceded by whining about how you don't defend Trump, except when you do.

Pretty sure random cranks believing bullshit fit just fine into my worldview.

This derail about whether IHIV defends Trump (too much? or reflexively? whatever the point is supposed to be) seems really dumb, so I'm not sure I want to move it to a new thread, but if it goes on longer I guess my options will be either to do that or just delete all of it? And if I move it I also have to think of a title for it. So my preference would just be not to continue it, but I'm flexible.

Hong Kong has now reclosed all schools for the remainder of the year. South Korea has been closing many district by district.

Why? Because despite both system having uniform and strict practices in place they are becoming super spreader epicenters.

This shows the difficulty of putting kids on the front line of needing to follow very disciplined rules to prevent infection spread.

The USA despite having one of the least disciplined approaches and no uniform and strict practices in place and saying each State, School district and school needs to figure it out, demands all students get back and get back immediately.

If this happens and it becomes clear it was a mistake Trumpster's will once again proclaim, 'who could have known, ...who would have done anything differently, ...don't blame Trump'

MURICA

It's a question of 'how partisan' Unlikely anyone isn't at all partisan but some are very partisan while others much less so. It's a bit like left and right. Most people are not defined so simply and have different attitudes/views about different things.

With particular respect to covid; the reality, as with many things, is that huge numbers of people have no idea about the truth of various claims and have to decide who to trust. This becomes an increasingly surmountable problem as trust breaks down and partisanship/division takes over.

Objectively you couldn't be more wrong.

NJ 7 day rolling average for deaths is 47.1 the 14 day rolling avg is 40.4 and the 21 day is 42.5. On June 25 they reported 1,877 deaths which obviously was an adjustment for deaths missed so I distributed that across the prior several months as I did with the US death totals that day. But that currently only affects 21 day totals and in any case will disappear in the next few days. I did not redistribute the 142 deaths on July 8 because I wasn't sure that was an adjustment. But if it was the 7 day numbers would be lower than the 14 day and 21 day.

FL 7 day avg is 73.4, 14 day avg is 59.1, 21 day avg is 52.0

TX 7 day avg is 79.3, 14 day avg is 57.1 and 21 day avg is 52.4.

FL and TX are hitting all time highs on their three averages. NJ is at about 15% of all time highs.

But what is more telling is that FL and TX are heading in the wrong direction death wise (7 day > 14 day > 21 day avgs). NJ is heading down (while 7 day > 14 day, 14 day < 21 day).

In addition the positive test rate in NJ at 1.26% is at an all time low and the 7 day and 14 day Covid case avgs are near all time lows. The number of tests done in NJ 7 day avg is at about 75% of peak testing so the positive test rate of 1.26% is remarkable.

FL 7 day and 14 day Covid case avgs are at peak highs as is the positive test rate of 19.60% (on Saturday). This positive test % is as high as it has been since mid March. Testing hit a 7 day peak yesterday at 53,000 tests/day and positive test rate of 18.65%.

TX 7 day and 14 day Covid case avgs are at peak highs as is the positive test rate of 17.65%. Testing itself 7 day is close to peak highs as well (which combined is a bad sign).

"Objectively" Florida and Texas are spiraling out of control and NJ looks good for now. If you check out this Covid Act Now website you can see that NJ is one of 3 Green states and Texas and Florida are both Red (Critical condition).

Death numbers are not only a function of treatment.

And while case numbers are important, perhaps what is more important is who and where the positive cases are hitting.

So for states that have older populations like Florida the death rates will be higher per infection than in states with lower age populations unless Florida is mandating specific guidelines to protect elderly people (which they are not).

Similarly, if states are targeting highly dense population areas effectively (like at meat packing plants, places of worship, nursing homes, hospitals, etc.) then the death rates can be mitigated. Part of this is because the disease seems to affect people more the higher the concentration of infection.

If you add in contact tracing and testing capacity you can not only reduce the number of cases but help the most vulnerable protect themselves.

If you check the Covid Act Now website Florida and Texas are not doing contact tracing effectively and NJ is.

I don't know exactly where Texas and Florida stand on houses of worship but I wouldn't be surprised if exemptions were being made for them to hold services.

And as for mask wearing, Texas has only now started the mandate and Florida is still a recommendation.

I don't explicitly use racial slurs : I am not a racist ::
I don't explicitly endorse Trump : I am not a Trump supporter

Yeah, the non-conservative media has done a really good job. Trump, Pence Kushner, Navarro, Desantis etc have all lied constantly; go away in the heat, rockin' by July, hydroxychloroquine is a miracle drug for Covid-19, Florida will do great and it's biased to say otherwise etc. And huge percentages of the population didn't believe them because the media provided facts and context to the ridiculous claims. Sort of the purest example of why freedom of the press exists.

If you don't vote for trump, and support voting somebody else then you are not a trump supporter. Some here may chose to ignore that part but it's ridiculous and just more of the silly the name calling thingy.

There may well be some people who support some of trumps policies or even defend him against some accusations but if they wont vote for him and will vote for someone else then they are not a trump supporter.

Arizona's rate of positive tests in the last week is 27%. They have to test slightly under four people to find each new case. In the UK right now they have to test 200 people to find a new case. The UK is testing more people per million than Arizona each day.

You guys, I'm starting to think there's some tribalism coming out of the White House and we can't actually trust what they say about COVID.

inb4 @Kelhus100 comes in to say 'fake news' don't blame Republican Trump supporters for keeping Covid levels from being controllable. It is Dem supporters.


I guess I should have said 'again' as he already tried to make that case once.

Nah, that's joe6er's bag. Kelhus is more of the kind to blame it on divisive liberal media narratives, so it's really both sides to blame.

Re Kelly McEnany defending Trumps and the WH attacks on Fauci and further suggesting there is a deep state influence in the CDC that has been working against the POTUS and the US citizens best interest the media has not yet (as far as I have seen) figured out the real reason.

They keep suggesting it is just Trump playing to rile up his base and/or jealousy as Fauci is getting good ratings on this and Trump is not.


While those are underlying aspects they are not the cause for this new tact.

The cause is that Trump and Co KNOW that it is highly likely that this new outbreak may not be brought back under control without another horrific NYS type death scenario playing out in real time on TV. Doctors saying they are making war like decisions and saying who will live or die based on lack of beds, equipment and people to treat them all. Freezer trucks with bodies in neighbourhoods.

Trump and CO know that that type of calamity in Florida and Texas, two States he cannot afford to lose, will not come without a cost for the people perceived to be IN CHARGE and who let this happen. Even the most loyal will turn against the leadership when it is their neighbours, friends and family members sick and/or dying.

For the first wave Trump went All-in on 'it was CHINA, ...it was the W.H.O' to ensure his base would look elsewhere and not blame him.

He cannot say it was China or the W.H.O who are responsible for this second wave. So instead they are seeding the ground now by trying to undermine Fauci and the CDC so they can all in on blaming them if things starts tipping that badly.

Mark these words down and quote me if I am wrong later. If we are heading for that terrible type death scene, Trump and Co will FIRE Fauci and much of the CDC staff and 'FINALLY take control with their own non deep State people' who they will then say are finally free and clear to do the 'right things'.

Those 'right things' will be exactly what Fauci was suggesting all through the first phase and after but they will obscure that.

And this is obviously a play for the base as this will not trick many beyond that. But it is to give Fox News and other such outlets the ammo they will need to demonize Fauci while painting Trump as liberator, finally pushing out the last of the deep state.

Joe6pack does not really make any attempts at intelligent arguments. He just generally repeats superficial talking points he hears on Fox and Friends to own the libz. But I agree he has treading in this area.

But Kelhus upthread does actually try to wrap his wrong headed views with his warped rationalization around this thinking he can sell it.

This was just one of many posts where he tried to deflect that blame.

I pointed out to him that is Trumpsters that keep this fire running hot, they are the ones stocking this fire in community after community even as others try desperate to knock it down and suppress it. But then POC (Dem's) pay the bigger price as that spread gets into the trouble spaces they tend to dominate. Public transit, Meat packing plants and other such factories, Food industry workers and other Front line workers.

Sure thing, chez, I get that it's all just silly name calling to you. The thing is, that's not what's happening. They are not posting about voting for Biden (it's heads-up, you know). They are posting in support of Trump positions and propaganda. The fact of the matter is, that supports Trump. Saying so is not silly name calling.

Imagine how partisan and tribal you have to be to watch this **** and say "the real problem with COVID is the mainstream media"

Looks like he's going full-on televangelist with the hairdo lol

It's not all just silly name calling to me - c'mon you're better than that.

But it is totally standard to support some policies/positions and point out where we think criticisms are misguided even if we don't support the politician or party. It is ridiculous to confuse that with supporting the politician/party. It is also perfectly okay (even a very good thing, some might say) to evaluate the positions/polices fairly and point out where we think criticisms are misguided even if we don't support the position/policy let alone the politician/party.