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Old 08-12-2020, 12:29 AM   #2751
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Old 08-12-2020, 11:47 AM   #2752
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Old 08-12-2020, 01:01 PM   #2753
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UK only had zero because we did not report for some reason. Tuesday was 98 deaths.

Not sure how that compares on a per capita basis.
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Old 08-12-2020, 01:24 PM   #2754
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UK only had zero because we did not report for some reason. Tuesday was 98 deaths.

Not sure how that compares on a per capita basis.
The US (especially my state California) tends to underreport on Sundays, so you could cherrypick a Sunday to construct a false narrative we are doing much better than we are. That being said, the 7 day moving average for UK is definitely way less per capita than the US. Give credit where it is due.
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Old 08-12-2020, 01:28 PM   #2755
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UK data is a bit odd because England reports every death as a covid death if someone previously tested positive. Even if it was months ago. Other countries including Scotland don't. Unless that practice changes then England is guaranteed a steady stream of covid deaths even if there was never another one by the more common metric.

Nothing remotely comparable to usa of course but number of new cases is looking far more ominous across Europe than the very low death stats indicate.
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Old 08-12-2020, 01:35 PM   #2756
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UK data is a bit odd because England reports every death as a covid death if someone previously tested positive..
ONS uses a different system to PHE and by the ONS C19 deaths are even higher.
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Old 08-12-2020, 02:01 PM   #2757
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Old 08-12-2020, 02:41 PM   #2758
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Trump adds coronavirus adviser who echoes his unscientific claims

...The man Trump was pointing to was Dr. Scott Atlas, a fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution who frequently appears on Fox News and has advised Republicans in the past. And crucially, unlike the government's medical experts who have advised Trump until now, has adopted a public stance on the virus much closer to Trump's -- including decrying the idea that schools cannot reopen this fall as "hysteria" and pushing for the resumption of college sports.
Several months into the pandemic sweeping the nation, Atlas made his debut in the briefing room with a new title: adviser to the President...

...Atlas has been an extensive critic of severe lockdowns and publicly agreed with the President on all of those above measures. He joins Trump's team at a time when he finds himself increasingly at odds with the other medical experts in his administration, such as Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx...

...A trained medical doctor who attended the University of Chicago School of Medicine, Atlas has advised Republicans in the past, including Rudy Giuliani, the President's personal attorney who has also fanned conspiracy theories about coronavirus. Now Atlas will serve as an adviser to the President ...

...On his radio show this week, Rush Limbaugh praised Atlas and said "he is countering Fauci."
But Atlas isn't only seen as someone who can counter the medical opinions of the nation's top infectious disease expert. Trump has also recently grown disillusioned with the medical advice of Birx and has voiced skepticism about her ever since she praised House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in an interview after Pelosi criticized her. Two officials voiced concern that Trump brought Atlas in several months into the pandemic to diminish the voices of medical experts he disagrees with...
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Old 08-13-2020, 08:29 AM   #2759
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Don't believe the hype as HHS trumpets 'wins' as all signs suggest 'data control' and 'giving up' is what is happening!

Accuracy of U.S. coronavirus data thrown into question as decline in testing skews drop in new cases

- The country recorded an average of 52,875 new cases every day over the last seven days, down 19% from 65,285 new cases per day on July 28.

- However, Covid-19 testing has declined as well, falling from an average of about 814,000 tests per day two weeks ago to about 716,000, a 12% decline, over the same two-week period.

- In Texas, new Covid-19 cases have fallen by 10% over the last two weeks, but testing is down by 53% over the same time.


For the first time in months, the daily growth of new coronavirus cases in the U.S. has steadily fallen over the past two weeks, giving some hope to U.S. officials who proclaimed there were “signs of progress” in Southern states that were hit particularly hard...

...“No one’s declaring victory,” Adm. Brett Giroir, an assistant secretary at HHS, told reporters on a July 30 conference call. “We continue to see signs of progress across the Sun Belt and diffusely throughout the country.”

But testing shortages in key states and other gaps in Covid-19 data call into question the accuracy of those numbers and whether the outbreak in the U.S. is really improving or whether cases are simply going undiagnosed, epidemiologists say.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:17 AM   #2760
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A Florida Sheriff Has Ordered His Deputies Not to Wear Masks

The sheriff forbade his deputies from wearing masks while on duty, with some exceptions, and also barred visitors to his offices from wearing them.

...Sheriff Woods, a Republican who was elected in 2016 and participated in a phone call between law enforcement and President Trump on Tuesday, was not swayed by the scientific consensus...

...“We can debate and argue all day of why and why not,” he wrote. “The fact is, the amount of professionals that give the reason why we should, I can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn’t.”...

...The sheriff’s order made exceptions for officers at the county courthouse, in jails and in public schools — but he made clear that he was not convinced they were necessary...

...Sheriff Woods said that visitors to his offices would be asked to remove their masks. If they refuse, Mr. Woods said, they will be asked to leave.

He also provided guidance to his deputies for how to deal with people who might ask why they do not wear face coverings. “If at any time you are confronted by any individual complaining, berating you or just being a difficult individual,” Mr. Woods wrote, “you will politely and professionally tell them ‘I am not required to wear a mask nor will I, per the Order of the Sheriff’ and then walk away from them.”

The sheriff ended his email on a strict tone of enforcement: “My orders will be followed or my actions will be swift to address.”





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Old 08-13-2020, 11:16 AM   #2761
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:04 AM   #2762
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An interesting article on the Covid-19 pandemic, basically explaining how the disease is some ways comparable and in some ways worse than the 1918 flu outbreak.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...9a6_story.html

Medical article reference in the article: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=081320

The comparison to the 1918 flu pandemic (incorrectly nicknamed "Spanish flu") is chilling, especially when the numbers are explained in full and not cherry-picked. The 1918 flu outbreak is generally regarded as the worst pandemic outbreak in recorded history.

This is also shows how takes that argue against measures are horribly misinformed.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:45 AM   #2763
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Baffles me that 1000+ deaths is just the new normal in the USA.

I watch the media ask questions and I get some are friendly to him but the others just cant seem to pound him on his lies.

Though the one guy got in a good one Trumps response Next

Winter is going to be terrible as you will not know if you have the Flu oir Covid .
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Old 08-14-2020, 10:55 AM   #2764
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Don't believe the hype as HHS trumpets 'wins' as all signs suggest 'data control' and 'giving up' is what is happening!

Accuracy of U.S. coronavirus data thrown into question as decline in testing skews drop in new cases

- The country recorded an average of 52,875 new cases every day over the last seven days, down 19% from 65,285 new cases per day on July 28.

- However, Covid-19 testing has declined as well, falling from an average of about 814,000 tests per day two weeks ago to about 716,000, a 12% decline, over the same two-week period.

- In Texas, new Covid-19 cases have fallen by 10% over the last two weeks, but testing is down by 53% over the same time.


For the first time in months, the daily growth of new coronavirus cases in the U.S. has steadily fallen over the past two weeks, giving some hope to U.S. officials who proclaimed there were “signs of progress” in Southern states that were hit particularly hard...

...“No one’s declaring victory,” Adm. Brett Giroir, an assistant secretary at HHS, told reporters on a July 30 conference call. “We continue to see signs of progress across the Sun Belt and diffusely throughout the country.”

But testing shortages in key states and other gaps in Covid-19 data call into question the accuracy of those numbers and whether the outbreak in the U.S. is really improving or whether cases are simply going undiagnosed, epidemiologists say.
Proof that Trump is right! America tests too much!
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Old 08-14-2020, 10:57 AM   #2765
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A Florida Sheriff Has Ordered His Deputies Not to Wear Masks

The sheriff forbade his deputies from wearing masks while on duty, with some exceptions, and also barred visitors to his offices from wearing them.

...Sheriff Woods, a Republican who was elected in 2016 and participated in a phone call between law enforcement and President Trump on Tuesday, was not swayed by the scientific consensus...

...“We can debate and argue all day of why and why not,” he wrote. “The fact is, the amount of professionals that give the reason why we should, I can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn’t.”...

...The sheriff’s order made exceptions for officers at the county courthouse, in jails and in public schools — but he made clear that he was not convinced they were necessary...

...Sheriff Woods said that visitors to his offices would be asked to remove their masks. If they refuse, Mr. Woods said, they will be asked to leave.

He also provided guidance to his deputies for how to deal with people who might ask why they do not wear face coverings. “If at any time you are confronted by any individual complaining, berating you or just being a difficult individual,” Mr. Woods wrote, “you will politely and professionally tell them ‘I am not required to wear a mask nor will I, per the Order of the Sheriff’ and then walk away from them.”

The sheriff ended his email on a strict tone of enforcement: “My orders will be followed or my actions will be swift to address.”





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Old 08-14-2020, 07:15 PM   #2766
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Firm Helping Run Federal Database Refuses Senators’ Questions


The manager of the Trump administration’s new virus database refuses Senate questioning, citing a nondisclosure agreement.

The private health care technology vendor that is helping to manage the Trump administration’s new coronavirus database has refused to answer questions from top Senate Democrats about its $10.2 million contract, saying it signed a nondisclosure agreement with the federal Department of Health and Human Services.
In a letter obtained by The New York Times, dated Aug. 3, a lawyer for the Pittsburgh-based TeleTracking Technologies cited the nondisclosure agreement in refusing to provide information about its process for collecting and sharing data; its proposal to the government; communications with White House staff or other officials; and any other information related to the award.

A spokeswoman for Department of Health and Human Services said members of Congress should direct their inquiries to the government, not the company. But Senator Patty Murray of Washington, the top Democrat on the Senate Health Committee, sent a letter to the agency in June seeking similar information and has not received a reply, her office said.

...“One of the cornerstones of the federal procurement system is transparency, so it strikes me as odd,” she said.
TeleTracking was responding to a July 22 letter from two top Democrats: Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, and Ms. Murray. ...

...“The Trump administration’s decision to hire a private vendor and then cloak that vendor in a nondisclosure agreement raises numerous questions about their motivations and risks the ability of our public health experts to understand and effectively fight this virus,” Mr. Schumer said in a statement Friday.
The controversy over the contract stems from the administration’s abrupt order in July for hospitals to stop reporting coronavirus information to the C.D.C.’s National Healthcare Safety Network — a longstanding government data system — and instead send it to TeleTracking for inclusion in a coronavirus database overseen by H.H.S. officials in Washington. H.H.S. has said the switch was necessary because the C.D.C.’s system was slow and incomplete...

...TeleTracking is majority owned by its chairman and chief executive, Michael Zamagias, a Pittsburgh real estate developer.

The manner in which the contract was awarded has also generated confusion. A government website initially listed it as a “sole source” contract, but H.H.S. officials later said there were six bidders, though they refused to name the others, saying they were, saying they were “prohibited from sharing that information by federal regulations and statutes.”

Ms. Tillipman said it is also unusual for the government to keep the names of bidders a secret....
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Old 08-15-2020, 12:42 AM   #2767
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Old 08-15-2020, 01:19 AM   #2768
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It would be nice if pollsters asked follow up questions so that we could know if the disagreement mainly stems from differing opinions about the magnitude of the risks involved, as opposed to disagreement mainly stemming from differing opinions about whether risks (whose magnitude we stipulate are generally agreed upon) are worth taking.

Which do readers think it is?
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Old 08-15-2020, 01:31 AM   #2769
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Risks are worth taking, I suspect. Coupled with a healthy smattering of “I don’t know anyone that got it OR the person I know that got it is fine” mixed in.
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Old 08-15-2020, 05:32 PM   #2771
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California: social distance you guys. Stay indoors unless you really have to leave

Also california: here’s some unannounced rolling blackouts that last 2 days in 102 degree heat. Have fun ****ers
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Another month of CDN border closed now till August 21 st. Lets face it just close it till the end of the year
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Old 08-16-2020, 06:54 AM   #2773
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it appears very likely that the virus leaked from a lab in wuhan that was conducting research on novel coronaviruses and contagiousness in humans

would this matter to anyone if it were true? my thought is anti-maskers and the like might take the covid threat more seriously if they knew this had not randomly jumped to a human at a wet market

but maybe the origin is water under the bridge at this point and irrelevant?
On the contrary, the origin is the key to the riddle. Patients in Wuhan with pneumonia of "unknown cause" are the patients zero, the claimed "isolation" of sars2 was carried out to explain the cause of their illness, and hence the mapping of the claimed genetic sequence of sars2 "they've mapped the genome in China dude". PCR tests amplify sections of genetic code that if matched with the sequence yield a positive result. There are thousands of claimed sequences but as far as I know it all leads back to the original map from Wuhan. All (silk) roads lead to China...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017

I would like to see some support for the argument that the virus was leaked from a lab experimenting with viruses though.
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:59 AM   #2774
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Why is the type A strain mostly found in America?
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I've said from the start, that i fully expect that Countries around the world will all be experimenting with these type viruses. They pretty much HAVE to.

The benign reason is to be prepared in case of an accidental mutation or jump in nature that becomes a threat. Also to protect against any other country who may be looking to weaponize them.


The not so benign reason is for a weapons program for themselves.

I believe a major government would be negligent at this point to not be experiments.

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