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Old 08-03-2020, 05:18 PM   #2551
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If we can accept that controlling protests is out of the question then can we also accept that controlling other acts is out of the question as well?
What we can accept, based on what we see all around the world, is that with unified messaging from the top down, you can get citizens largely to follow a plan and have successes.

What we can accept is that when a POTUS counters his own health agencies advice and ridicules the plans and safety guidelines in favor of a rush to open, and he shows an open defiance of the rules they want people to follow (such as wearing a mask, not promoting or holding large gatherings) that people will rebel and do great harm to any attempts to get a unified effort.

Those are the things we can accept.
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Old 08-03-2020, 05:31 PM   #2552
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...plus, Trump freerolled us hard in May when he essentially said "it's up to each individual governor" ....then kept on message with "Open Up, Open Up, Open Up". Fortunately not a single sheep was convinced.....except some governors. Consequences.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:41 PM   #2553
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recovery numbers include all the post-infliction complications like heart and kidney long-term damage? Asking for a friend.
Of Course not. But our data for hydroxychloroquine is even worse than anecdotal for that.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:53 PM   #2554
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What we can accept, based on what we see all around the world, is that with unified messaging from the top down, you can get citizens largely to follow a plan and have successes.

What we can accept is that when a POTUS counters his own health agencies advice and ridicules the plans and safety guidelines in favor of a rush to open, and he shows an open defiance of the rules they want people to follow (such as wearing a mask, not promoting or holding large gatherings) that people will rebel and do great harm to any attempts to get a unified effort.

Those are the things we can accept.
Yeah, unified messaging like: "Avoid large gatherings". "Massive protests are vital to the public health". With messaging gobbledegook like that no wonder the public isn't on board.
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:01 PM   #2555
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Yeah, unified messaging like: "Avoid large gatherings". "Massive protests are vital to the public health". With messaging gobbledegook like that no wonder the public isn't on board.
I'm gonna go ahead and need a citation on the bolded, young Joseph.

(Someone else should also quote or ask since joe claims to have me on ignore).

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Old 08-03-2020, 07:09 PM   #2556
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I really hope the Trump team keeps pushing the narrative that it is all protesters fault or a hoax or can be cured with zinc. Best marketing approach ever for the current world!

They are going to lose to LOLBiden. Just great, I hope they keep it up!
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:52 PM   #2557
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I'm gonna go ahead and need a citation on the bolded, young Joseph.

(Someone else should also quote or ask since joe claims to have me on ignore).
It was at least a genuine phrase from the open letter that was signed by healthcare professionals:

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However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States.
It is of course absurd to use what was essentially a political statement by private individuals as some sort of attempt at whataboutism in a reply to Cuepee talking about the importance of consistent messaging from government.
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Old 08-03-2020, 08:49 PM   #2558
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It was at least a genuine phrase from the open letter that was signed by healthcare professionals:



It is of course absurd to use what was essentially a political statement by private individuals as some sort of attempt at whataboutism in a reply to Cuepee talking about the importance of consistent messaging from government.
A group of 1200 public health professionals putting out a collective signed statement in the middle of a health crisis is not what I would call private individuals.
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:05 AM   #2559
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joe,

How do you feel about Trump blasting his own White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator because she declined to paint the pandemic as the rosy picture he desires? This does not trouble you?

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Old 08-04-2020, 12:26 AM   #2560
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joe,

How do you feel about Trump blasting his own White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator because she declined to paint the pandemic as the rosy picture he desires? This does not trouble you?

Joe is already on the record insisting that Trump's only failing w.r.t. the pandemic is strictly relying on bad advice from Birx and Fauci even in the face of him openly defying their advice for all to see, and in the face of him denying that he is strictly following their advice.
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:31 AM   #2561
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Dr. Fauci is one of the world top epidemiology / immunology experts with a record of accomplishments in his field that most people can only dream of, having lead some of the most successful international interventions into various diseases. He represents the kind of people who for the past decades made the US the supreme international force for fighting global pandemics and epidemics. In addition to that he is a scholar of enormous repute, being one of the most cited scholars in his field.

The political attacks on him, his own administration releasing attack files anonymously to the press and the social media barrage and conspiracy theories which has resulted from this and the comments of his own president is nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

A political climate that has forced such a man to live under security protection due to threats to his life is just bizarre.

Meanwhile, conspiracy quacks with theories of "lizard people" and "demon semen" is elevated to the forefront by standard-bearers for US policy, being presented as legitimate points of view. It is simply shameful.
He can't even throw a baseball lol
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:32 AM   #2562
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I really hope the Trump team keeps pushing the narrative that it is all protesters fault or a hoax or can be cured with zinc. Best marketing approach ever for the current world!

They are going to lose to LOLBiden. Just great, I hope they keep it up!
Biden winning would be wildly entertaining.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:35 AM   #2563
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He can't even throw a baseball lol
He's 80
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Old 08-04-2020, 03:04 AM   #2564
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Anyone who thinks Trump is smarter than the experts should let him perform surgery on them.
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Old 08-04-2020, 03:58 AM   #2565
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joe,

How do you feel about Trump blasting his own White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator because she declined to paint the pandemic as the rosy picture he desires? This does not trouble you?

That wasn't why he blasted her.
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Old 08-04-2020, 04:02 AM   #2566
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Anyone who thinks Trump is smarter than the experts should let him perform surgery on them.
You don't understand bro. Trump is not a doer, he is a thinker.
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:51 AM   #2567
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:27 AM   #2568
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That wasn't why he blasted her.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:07 AM   #2569
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"Blasts"

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Old 08-04-2020, 11:54 AM   #2570
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A reporter needs to ask the elephant in the room question and really nail Trump.


Reporter : Mr President, you have stated that if we had less tests we would have less cases, correct?

Trump : Yes

Reporter : And less cases is a positive to society correct

Trump : Yes

Reporter : you, at the White HOuse are arguably in the most tested environment in the World. And we have seen so far many instances where people in your sphere have been tested and found to have Covid, and they have been isolated away from you and White House. Is that correct?

Trump : Yes

Reporter : So it your view that your staff in the White House is actively working against you and trying to get you exposed to Covid? Would you not have had 'less cases' and thus 'less risk to you personally' if they tested less?

Reporter : Would you want the WH to test less and thus cause less cases and thus keep you safer?
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:14 PM   #2571
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Anyone who thinks Trump is smarter than the experts should let him perform surgery on them.
I think I figured out Joe. Trump the brain surgeon.
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Old 08-04-2020, 04:44 PM   #2572
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So Thursdays the day 5 million. Wonder if it was quicker than the last million. I think that was 14 days
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:53 PM   #2573
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Old 08-05-2020, 09:19 AM   #2574
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We are going to see this a lot.

To be fair to School Boards and Teachers, who are under immense pressure in many jurisdictions to 'open up', I think you will see them say 'fine, we will open' but upon the first sign of any cases they will default to the guidelines issued (that those in power are telling them to ignore to open) and use that to close back down.



I think we all know how this would go down. Just as Trump demands States open but then blames them saying 'they did not follow the guidelines' if things go bad, so too would those Politicians pressuring Schools to open default to blaming the Boards and specific schools if things go bad there. 'Oh they had the guidelines, they just did not follow them. Don't blame us'.

So as the risk moves from 'theoretical' to 'identified' in the schools, they will close and force the Politicians to push them to re-open with a now 'identified' threat, in hand.
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Old 08-05-2020, 09:34 AM   #2575
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You can't open schools when the virus is still raging out of control.
This administration and the Republican party in general defies all logic.
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