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Old 07-31-2020, 05:51 PM   #2501
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This Jim Jordan interviewing Fauci is really awfull.
It's a master course of bad faith and following an agenda:
churches=good
protests=bad

He is really agitated, and doesn't seem to understand Fauci is not a cop.
I don't know how a guy like that is elected, it's a lot of screaming and not much substance.
On top of that I don't see the charisma but that can be a cultural thing.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:10 PM   #2502
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Didn't watch the impeachment hearings? He's the GOP go to for angry bluster when unable to argue on the merits.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:21 PM   #2503
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I don't know. He seemed to make some valid points if you ask me.
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Old 07-31-2020, 07:16 PM   #2504
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:30 PM   #2505
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Think at this point Trump should honestly just have everyone stay home for 2 weeks make it illegal to leave house. Give everyone a day or two to buy supplies. Then say if everyone abides by this we can go back to normal after. Also for a period after this movement airtravel will still be restricted going in and outside country. It would be so much easier than states opening and reopening.
Do you know what would happen every single person didn't leave their house for 2 weeks lol?

it would be the collapse of the USA
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:34 PM   #2506
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This Jim Jordan interviewing Fauci is really awfull.
It's a master course of bad faith and following an agenda:
churches=good
protests=bad

He is really agitated, and doesn't seem to understand Fauci is not a cop.
I don't know how a guy like that is elected, it's a lot of screaming and not much substance.
On top of that I don't see the charisma but that can be a cultural thing.
you lied about what he was saying then said he is arguing in bad faith lol

all he was showcasing is the hypocrisy/inconsistency fauci is showing currently

fauci was scared to say that the protests were bad lol
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Old 07-31-2020, 09:32 PM   #2507
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Dr. Fauci is one of the world top epidemiology / immunology experts with a record of accomplishments in his field that most people can only dream of, having lead some of the most successful international interventions into various diseases. He represents the kind of people who for the past decades made the US the supreme international force for fighting global pandemics and epidemics. In addition to that he is a scholar of enormous repute, being one of the most cited scholars in his field.

The political attacks on him, his own administration releasing attack files anonymously to the press and the social media barrage and conspiracy theories which has resulted from this and the comments of his own president is nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

A political climate that has forced such a man to live under security protection due to threats to his life is just bizarre.

Meanwhile, conspiracy quacks with theories of "lizard people" and "demon semen" is elevated to the forefront by standard-bearers for US policy, being presented as legitimate points of view. It is simply shameful.
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Old 07-31-2020, 09:46 PM   #2508
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MLB is providing a roadmap for the next phase of the blame game by getting the message out there that players are responsible if the season fails because they chose not to follow the guidelines put out there.

This is already happening to some extent, but I bet it’s going to get much more explicit in a couple months or so. “We did the best we could, but selfish youths and liberals ruined it for everyone.”
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Old 07-31-2020, 10:50 PM   #2509
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you lied about what he was saying then said he is arguing in bad faith lol

all he was showcasing is the hypocrisy/inconsistency fauci is showing currently

fauci was scared to say that the protests were bad lol
I'm not sure what you think I lied about?
Maybe I misunderstood his way but it really seemed to me everything in his interview was finding a way to blame/shut down the protest, and opposing them to the exemple of the poor church goers being shut down (in a tone and way that churches are indeed good and taking a major hit while people are protesting).
It didn't feel he was caring at all about the virus, yelling PROTESTS 50 times.
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:59 AM   #2510
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you lied about what he was saying then said he is arguing in bad faith lol

all he was showcasing is the hypocrisy/inconsistency fauci is showing currently

fauci was scared to say that the protests were bad lol
No.

Fauci was rightly trying to avoid getting dragged into redundant and very deliberately misrepresented politics.


Here is what Fauci should have replied to Jim's veiled suggestion that the CDC was endorsing the demonstrations:

- Mr Jordan I am not understand the nature of your question but let me say this

- We as public health officials have no control of weather a protest happens during a Pandemic or a Hurricane. These are things outside our control and all we can do is give best practices as to how best to mitigate harm (masks and social distancing as much as possible) as you deal with them.

To Jims question if 'it should have been allowed?'

- Mr Jordan, a protest is an act of civil disobedience and in this specific case against gov't and police abuse directed at POC

- There is no mechanism I can recognize or would endorse to 'not allow' a protest as they are, at the time rejecting authority to make a statement. So you question presupposes we could either just order them to not protest or perhaps send in police to dominate them and force them home. Those are not options I would suggest, even if it means the protests will go on in the midst of pandemic.


Again Fauci is not politician and that is a good thing. Jim Jordan playing those disingenuous games with him is disgusting.
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Old 08-01-2020, 11:11 AM   #2511
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Not sure why you get bothered when people do the it was the pride rallies type nonsense. If that is their best ammo along with talking about how Trump did everything possible due to his meaningless travel ban (and that is it) - then I say bring it on along as Trump tries protecting confederate statues and supporting Lizard People doctors.

Sure his base of dummies will follow whatever and some will try to troll people with it, but compare that stuff to the effective stuff past campaigns used that made a difference and honestly I am perfectly happy with watching that side preach how masks cause infections because it gets stuck in the cloth and demon semen.

Will get better when Biden chooses Harris or Rice and that choice starts hurling fire at Trump knowing Trump needs to reply, and nothing better than a candidate for president being distracted in that way (even happened to Obama for a little while with Palin).

I just hope Trump continues with this path to non victory against LOLBiden, so why educate them on it. Let them do it even more!
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Old 08-02-2020, 01:10 PM   #2512
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Fake news because we all know kids don’t get Covid.

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Numbers from the Texas Department of State Health Services obtained by NBC 5 Investigates showed that cases connected to daycares have exploded, from 817 cases at the end of June to 2,810 cases today, the final day of July.

About two-thirds of those cases are children, the rest staff, NBC 5 Investigates has learned.
Open up the schools, fools! Mommy and daddy don’t like being around their children.

https://krld.radio.com/articles/news...-texas-daycare
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:08 PM   #2513
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No.

Fauci was rightly trying to avoid getting dragged into redundant and very deliberately misrepresented politics.
It's not redundant at all. The country is in lock down and trying to be pushed further in where even going to the beach/surfing was banned. Then you have millions of people protesting for a particular cause but that's OK?

idk how you can even argue this with the way you post about the virus

Fauci should denounce everything in regards to the virus if his objective is about saving lives..

Why are protests about one issue OK but nothing else?

It just shows that BLM is more important than the 100s of thousands of lives already lost due to covid
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:09 PM   #2514
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I remember when hundreds of doctors even applauded the protests and said it was ok and that it wont do anything but skateboarding is a risk to everyone lol

it's even funnier when mods say that liberals call each other out lol foh

all those liberals not even wearing masks either lol
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:10 PM   #2515
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On the bright side the USA may not experience a second wave as the first wave may never end
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:13 PM   #2516
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I remember when hundreds of doctors even applauded the protests and said it was ok and that it wont do anything but skateboarding is a risk to everyone lol
I would ask you to cite this, but you are probably still too busy figuring out how to do an internet search to find a mask study that tells you what you want to hear, before going to a big party, because hoax and all. Just watch out for the edge of the Earth.

All the best.
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Old 08-02-2020, 03:25 PM   #2517
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fauci was scared to say that the protests were bad lol
Oh?

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Old 08-02-2020, 03:55 PM   #2518
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It's not redundant at all. The country is in lock down and trying to be pushed further in where even going to the beach/surfing was banned. Then you have millions of people protesting for a particular cause but that's OK?

idk how you can even argue this with the way you post about the virus

Fauci should denounce everything in regards to the virus if his objective is about saving lives..

Why are protests about one issue OK but nothing else?

It just shows that BLM is more important than the 100s of thousands of lives already lost due to covid

It is not OK.

It is not OK.

It is not OK.

Stop being dishonest. It is not about 'OK' just as the hurricane hitting FLorida during a pandemic is not 'OK'.

Now don't go all literal on the hurricane thing and think more figuratively.
There are things you can control and things you cannot. You don't want a hurricane during a pandemic, but you cannot stop it happening. So you do your best to prepare the people to manage thru it. That DOES NOT equal supporting it.

Acts of gov't defiance, such as a protest reaction to gov't abuse, authoritarianism and tyranny, NO ONE WANTS during a pandemic. But if they happen you have NO WAY TO stop it.

If you think you do name it? What would you do? Send in troops to dominate the streets and drive those rising up at risk to themselves to decry and fight against gov't authoritarianism to break?

You want a Tiananmen Square like crack down, that you can then also blame on the libz?

So stop being dishonest. Fauci did not want or support a protest to happen during a pandemic. He had NO ABILITY to stop it. He might agree with why they were protesting but wish it was at a different time. And he might give them guidance to hope they will be as safe as possible. But that is all he can do.

You guys so wanted a Tiananmen Square like crack down and are so mad you did not get it that you keep lying about it. Stop it.
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:06 PM   #2519
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I would ask you to cite this, but you are probably still too busy figuring out how to do an internet search to find a mask study that tells you what you want to hear, before going to a big party, because hoax and all. Just watch out for the edge of the Earth.

All the best.
If it was that easy you could have also searched it up within a few seconds and link it but here we are again ey

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/h...rnd/index.html

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"However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators' ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders."
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:07 PM   #2520
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It is not OK.

It is not OK.

It is not OK.

Stop being dishonest. It is not about 'OK' just as the hurricane hitting FLorida during a pandemic is not 'OK'.

Now don't go all literal on the hurricane thing and think more figuratively.
There are things you can control and things you cannot. You don't want a hurricane during a pandemic, but you cannot stop it happening. So you do your best to prepare the people to manage thru it. That DOES NOT equal supporting it.

Acts of gov't defiance, such as a protest reaction to gov't abuse, authoritarianism and tyranny, NO ONE WANTS during a pandemic. But if they happen you have NO WAY TO stop it.

If you think you do name it? What would you do? Send in troops to dominate the streets and drive those rising up at risk to themselves to decry and fight against gov't authoritarianism to break?

You want a Tiananmen Square like crack down, that you can then also blame on the libz?

So stop being dishonest. Fauci did not want or support a protest to happen during a pandemic. He had NO ABILITY to stop it. He might agree with why they were protesting but wish it was at a different time. And he might give them guidance to hope they will be as safe as possible. But that is all he can do.

You guys so wanted a Tiananmen Square like crack down and are so mad you did not get it that you keep lying about it. Stop it.
I agree with you that you can't stop it but why is it celebrated?

Or at least tell them that they are spreading the virus

Also from a BLM stand point which kills more black people? The virus or the police?

I can't remember if it was you or someone else who said the virus hurts minorities more so if I was in that boat I would weigh my options more wisely.
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Or at least tell them that they are spreading the virus
Like Fauci did?

Why? That won't stop you from lying about their comments in this thread, as we have just seen!
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:25 PM   #2522
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Oh?

So laughably transparent.

Jim Jordan : "Dr, should the gov't limit the protests?" "You are allowed to protest..."?

What a political piece of garbage question that is. That question does not exist in a bubble. How do you limit protests? Who is "allowing" them? They are acts of civil disobedience. You do not ALLOW them.

Jim is fishing for a lead in to "Dominate the streets" which if Fauci gets manauvered into saying 'yes the gov't should not allow protests', then Jim will say next 'therefore 'gov't must send in police to dominate the streets... do you agree or not, Dr Fauci?'

And if Fauci says no he will push then for what other option Fauci has to stop the protests he just agreed should be stopped? With the 'if you believe it is gov'ts job and a necessity to stop the protests, it then follows you must dominate the streets'.

JIm needs to be smarter and less transparent if he wants to get what he wants as the politics and dumb nature of his question was smelled out by Dr Fauci right away who rightly refused to get drawn into it.

Jim Jordan should be embarrassed by that sad performance.
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I agree with you that you can't stop it but why is it celebrated?

Or at least tell them that they are spreading the virus

Also from a BLM stand point which kills more black people? The virus or the police?

I can't remember if it was you or someone else who said the virus hurts minorities more so if I was in that boat I would weigh my options more wisely.
Not me re, last statement.

And in every single interview when asked, Fauci and others in public health would state that people out protesting need to social distance as best they can and wear mask as gatherings will spread the virus.
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If it was that easy you could have also searched it up within a few seconds and link it but here we are again ey

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/h...rnd/index.html
As has been previously cited, the protests kept everyone else home and away from more dangerous activities, like eating indoors at restaurants. The protests increased social distancing overall, saving lives.
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LOL at social distancing at a mass protest.
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