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07-29-2020 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
'A chain is only as strong as its weakest link' and 'a society that is only as strong as its dumbest citizens' is going to cause a great cleansing in America.

And unfortunately it may not be the dumbest who end up dying off. They may survive to be the next round of leaders.

So maybe they are not so dumb after all.
Depends by what measure. A lot of them think that when the apocalypse comes they are going to a magic place forever, so from their point of view, the death cult probably makes sense.
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07-29-2020 , 05:56 PM
07-29-2020 , 06:32 PM
Returning to the prior point.

The Doctor who believes "...Diseases Are Caused by Demon Sex..." is an example of someone who is smart (can get grades and pass tests) but also Stupid.

The POTUS who called her "...An Important Voice", when it comes to Covid science is an example of Dumb person who is also stupid.

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Originally Posted by Cuepee
"You are a smart guy, but that is a really stupid thing you just did" (example aforementioned snowball into Congress)

"You are a smart guy, but that is a really stupid thing to believe" (believing people are like batteries with finite energy and thus exercise will shorten your life)

dumb ---> smart ---> genius

Stupid ---> brilliant (??)


I know these words get used so interchangeably that meaningful distinction is not really possible but I am trying to break into 2 scales. First as to how you would do on an IQ test. The second as to how you would be viewed by your actions and words.
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07-29-2020 , 07:04 PM
Florida numbers going down soon.

Spoiler:
Testing to stop Thursday due to storm
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07-29-2020 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Returning to the prior point.

The Doctor who believes "...Diseases Are Caused by Demon Sex..." is an example of someone who is smart (can get grades and pass tests) but also Stupid.

The POTUS who called her "...An Important Voice", when it comes to Covid science is an example of Dumb person who is also stupid.

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I think I said something about using heuristics. Bad takes is easier to come up with than good ones, so to focus on each and every one of them is impossible. If someone repeatedly comes up with bad takes, they should be ignored and we should move on.

I have no issue with calling this doctor a crazy crackpot, and I think it is sad she gets her voice amplified by one of the most visible positions in the world.
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07-29-2020 , 07:45 PM
An ECONOMISTS view.


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The Cult of Selfishness Is Killing America

The right has made irresponsible behavior a key principle.
Paul Krugman


America’s response to the coronavirus has been a lose-lose proposition.

The Trump administration and governors like Florida’s Ron DeSantis insisted that there was no trade-off between economic growth and controlling the disease, and they were right — but not in the way they expected.

Premature reopening led to a surge in infections: Adjusted for population, Americans are currently dying from Covid-19 at around 15 times the rate in the European Union or Canada. Yet the “rocket ship” recovery Donald Trump promised has crashed and burned: Job growth appears to have stalled or reversed, especially in states that were most aggressive about lifting social distancing mandates, and early indications are that the U.S. economy is lagging behind the economies of major European nations.

So we’re failing dismally on both the epidemiological and the economic fronts. But why?

On the face of it, the answer is that Trump and allies were so eager to see big jobs numbers that they ignored both infection risks and the way a resurgent pandemic would undermine the economy. As I and others have said, they failed the marshmallow test, sacrificing the future because they weren’t willing to show a little patience.

And there’s surely a lot to that explanation. But it isn’t the whole story.

For one thing, people truly focused on restarting the economy should have been big supporters of measures to limit infections without hurting business — above all, getting Americans to wear face masks. Instead, Trump ridiculed those in masks as “politically correct,” while Republican governors not only refused to mandate mask-wearing, but they prevented mayors from imposing local mask rules.

Also, politicians eager to see the economy bounce back should have wanted to sustain consumer purchasing power until wages recovered. Instead, Senate Republicans ignored the looming July 31 expiration of special unemployment benefits, which means that tens of millions of workers are about to see a huge hit to their incomes, damaging the economy as a whole.

So what was going on? Were our leaders just stupid? Well, maybe. But there’s a deeper explanation of the profoundly self-destructive behavior of Trump and his allies: They were all members of America’s cult of selfishness.

You see, the modern U.S. right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society.

Support for this proposition is, if anything, more emotional than intellectual. I’ve long been struck by the intensity of right-wing anger against relatively trivial regulations, like bans on phosphates in detergent and efficiency standards for light bulbs. It’s the principle of the thing: Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account.

This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility.

Rational policy in a pandemic, however, is all about taking responsibility. The main reason you shouldn’t go to a bar and should wear a mask isn’t self-protection, although that’s part of it; the point is that congregating in noisy, crowded spaces or exhaling droplets into shared air puts others at risk. And that’s the kind of thing America’s right just hates, hates to hear.

Indeed, it sometimes seems as if right-wingers actually make a point of behaving irresponsibly. Remember how Senator Rand Paul, who was worried that he might have Covid-19 (he did), wandered around the Senate and even used the gym while waiting for his test results?

Anger at any suggestion of social responsibility also helps explain the looming fiscal catastrophe. It’s striking how emotional many Republicans get in their opposition to the temporary rise in unemployment benefits; for example, Senator Lindsey Graham declared that these benefits would be extended “over our dead bodies.” Why such hatred?

It’s not because the benefits are making workers unwilling to take jobs. There’s no evidence that this is happening — it’s just something Republicans want to believe. And in any case, economic arguments can’t explain the rage.

Again, it’s the principle. Aiding the unemployed, even if their joblessness isn’t their own fault, is a tacit admission that lucky Americans should help their less-fortunate fellow citizens. And that’s an admission the right doesn’t want to make.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying that Republicans are selfish. We’d be doing much better if that were all there were to it. The point, instead, is that they’ve sacralized selfishness, hurting their own political prospects by insisting on the right to act selfishly even when it hurts others.

What the coronavirus has revealed is the power of America’s cult of selfishness. And this cult is killing us.
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07-30-2020 , 12:08 AM
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lol
On top of that he insisted on going back to his office, without a mask, to tell his staff in person he has Covid.
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07-30-2020 , 12:10 AM
Due to expected storms most all of the public Covid testing facilities in Florida are expected to be closed until next Wednesday.
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07-30-2020 , 01:05 AM
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Great, now I have to stop using one of my go-to phrases.
It was a really nitty point. With just 1 word changed I 100% agree with the whole thing. “On a formal level, science is largely uninterested in proving something. Proof is for logic and math, an abstract tool to tell you if a piece of logic or an equation is true valid.”
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07-30-2020 , 09:32 AM
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Due to expected storms most all of the public Covid testing facilities in Florida are expected to be closed until next Wednesday.
The good news though is that the Florida governor expects to be able to show in about 7 days after all those facilities are shut down, that Covid curves are all taking a sharp downturn in the State.
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07-30-2020 , 09:08 PM


Protestors block the New Orleans courthouse so landlord's can't get into eviction court
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07-31-2020 , 12:38 AM
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07-31-2020 , 12:43 AM
is there a study on masks and virus'?
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07-31-2020 , 02:25 AM
Yes there are, all kinds. But somebody linking you articles probably wont do you much good. I'd suggest researching on your own and coming to your own conclusions.
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07-31-2020 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


Protestors block the New Orleans courthouse so landlord's can't get into eviction court
Oh wow

Good for them out there trying to protect people they don't even know.

I feel bad for the landlords as well. All around shitty situation
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07-31-2020 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by VincentVega
Yes there are, all kinds. But somebody linking you articles probably wont do you much good. I'd suggest researching on your own and coming to your own conclusions.
lol there are always heaps yet can't link

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07-31-2020 , 03:34 AM
There are "heaps," and the other poster is correct in that if you are incapable of doing a simple internet search to at least start the process for yourself then realistically you will not pay attention to any study that does not tell you whatever it is you want to believe in, given your posting history.

Here is what you need to try. Do a search for "research on masks and covid" in a web browser of your choice. Most web browsers will then search the internet for the topic you seek. This is how you can search the internet. Once you hit the enter key you will be given a list of options to read. Try to avoid ads and start with .edu and .gov websites. Pick a couple and read them and try to understand them.

If you choose to skip a few steps like Florida and Texas did with their re-openings then you can change your search to fit more what you want to believe. Search "masks do not work" or "Fauci is a Lizard Person" or "Covid on a flat earth" if you prefer, and you will find articles that may better suit your needs.

Hope the above helped you on your journey to wisdom.

All the best.
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07-31-2020 , 06:26 AM
Given how this outlier event has hurt some but benefited others, and given the large amounts of State expenditure, I am not hearing the term windfall tax being used very often.

Looking at you Amazon.
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07-31-2020 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
lol there are always heaps yet can't link

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There have been multiple links posted in this very thread. You can try putting in the barest minimum effort.
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07-31-2020 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
lol there are always heaps yet can't link

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His point being 'maybe you would be more inclined to read and accept the information if you sought it out and found it yourself'. You won't think it is just 'the LIbz' handpicking select info for you.


And it is not solely about masks.

Masks are a piece of the puzzle that include:

- masks
- social distancing
- avoiding/minimizing group gatherings
- avoiding/minimizing indoor venues
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- adherence to common goals and strategies set from the top and that are uniform


And a country can arguably choose how to weight the use of each of those first 4 strategies and still find success AS LONG AS they follow the 5th one.

An adherence to a common goal and strategy is more important than anything else. Ask any field general engaged in a war. Troop uniformity and troop ranks are the most important factor. You let the lines break, the ranks break, and almost any strategy is doomed.


Trump's biggest failure is that he has been the driving force to ensure the US citizens did not adhere to any uniform plan and instead that a significant enough percent of the population took it upon themselves to just do whatever they wanted thus ensuring no group success could be achieved.
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07-31-2020 , 12:16 PM
Trump's 3 part punch to support the democratic right of people to vote.


Step 1: Choke off the mail, force delays so you can then contest huge swaths of Mail in Votes being counted at all due to delays (aka The Roger Stone successful strategy V Gore).

Trump-backed postmaster general plans to slow mail delivery

Donald Trump is destroying the Post Office

Outrage as Trump Crony Now Heading USPS Moves to Slow Mail Delivery


Step 2: GO to court to force those who want to vote using absentee or advanced voting to instead 'Put it in the Mail' by blocking them from dropping it off.

Trump campaign sues Pennsylvania over ballot drop-off sites

Trump campaign sues Pennsylvania's county elections boards over mail-in ballot drop boxes

Trump campaign sues Pennsylvania, county election boards over mail-in voting

Step 3 : Checkmate Libz.
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07-31-2020 , 12:17 PM
Corona Virus Denier Party in Dallas in June led to 14 people getting sick and one dying and one on life support.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronaviru...e-support/amp/

Come on people. That people are still trying to argue over the most basic common sense protections, like wearing a mask, is crazy.

Anyone crying for “reopening” without being a hardcore militant on mask
wearing, hand washing and social distancing is a fraud or a moron. It is that simple.
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07-31-2020 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Corona Virus Denier Party in Dallas in June led to 14 people getting sick and one dying and one on life support.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronaviru...e-support/amp/

Come on people. That people are still trying to argue over the most basic common sense protections, like wearing a mask, is crazy.

Anyone crying for “reopening” without being a hardcore militant on mask
wearing, hand washing and social distancing is a fraud or a moron. It is that simple.
I cannot find sympathy for the family members who willingly and eagerly flouted and risked the safety of so many others, simply because they are not suffering the consequences of their actions.


It is a sad cautionary tale, for sure, but when I read stories of individuals like that, being so willfully dangerous and celebrating it, I can only breath a sigh of relief when i see they are the ones filling the body bags.


At this very moment, as Front Line workers are forced to look after them and others like them, a percent of those front line workers, despite precautions, will now catch Covid and die or see their family members die. As will community members. That is where I save my tears for.


Any levels of Herd Immunity achieved will require sadly that the physically weak or vulnerable die off, but ALSO that the ignorant and dangerous die off.


If the latter do not die off then any attempts to rest control of this disease will be defeated as society is held to the weakest link (mentally) around us continually keeping everyone else at risk.

So I regret saying it but I am all for stories of seeing these type of people being the ones to suffer the consequence of their actions, as it means that many less innocents in the daily death pool.
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07-31-2020 , 02:01 PM
Think at this point Trump should honestly just have everyone stay home for 2 weeks make it illegal to leave house. Give everyone a day or two to buy supplies. Then say if everyone abides by this we can go back to normal after. Also for a period after this movement airtravel will still be restricted going in and outside country. It would be so much easier than states opening and reopening.
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07-31-2020 , 02:17 PM
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Think at this point Trump should honestly just have everyone stay home for 2 weeks make it illegal to leave house. Give everyone a day or two to buy supplies. Then say if everyone abides by this we can go back to normal after. Also for a period after this movement airtravel will still be restricted going in and outside country. It would be so much easier than states opening and reopening.
Unless people believe in and support the measures markksman listed in his post, it wouldn't accomplish much. You've just post-boned the troubles.

You need trust in medical authority for measures to work, trust to such a degree that you even have to accept changes in tactic along the way. This has not been built adequately in the US.
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