Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Politics and Society Contentions, Controversies, and Conflicts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-11-2020, 07:31 PM   #1601
WaitingOnAP
centurion
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 152
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

It's almost like those counties have more people, and that the governors are in charge.
WaitingOnAP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 07:38 PM   #1602
Kelhus100
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,653
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaitingOnAP View Post
It's almost like those counties have more people, and that the governors are in charge.
The last several pages of this thread have been devoted to arguing people are catching Covid due to personal choice of not taking the disease seriously for political reasons (and celebrating people dying for their political choices).

So now instead of personal choice, governors are really what matters?

Talk about a goal post shift.
Kelhus100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 07:43 PM   #1603
d2_e4
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
d2_e4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 6,785
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
The last several pages of this thread have been devoted to arguing people are catching Covid due to personal choice of not taking the disease seriously for political reasons (and celebrating people dying for their political choices).

So now instead of personal choice, governors are really what matters?

Talk about a goal post shift.
Kel, you never answered my post in the other thread. Do you think you might be slightly dyslexic?
d2_e4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 07:46 PM   #1604
WaitingOnAP
centurion
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 152
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
The last several pages of this thread have been devoted to arguing people are catching Covid due to personal choice of not taking the disease seriously for political reasons (and celebrating people dying for their political choices).

So now instead of personal choice, governors are really what matters?

Talk about a goal post shift.
Jesus dude. Did you miss what side of that discussion I was on? Furthermore, that discussion is completely unrelated and your assertion that it's democrats is just a classic fail:
WaitingOnAP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 07:51 PM   #1605
ecriture d'adulte
veteran
 
ecriture d'adulte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,481
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
I looked at Texas and the top 3 counties in Covid cases and deaths Hillary Clinton handily won in 2016. In Florida Dade County has the giants share of the cases, and again solid blue county.
Lol yes. The most populated counties in Texas and Florida have the most covid cases. If you were looking at which counties had the most people with prime social security numbers you'd find the exact same thing.
ecriture d'adulte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 07:54 PM   #1606
Cuepee
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Cuepee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 7,629
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
I looked at Texas and the top 3 counties in Covid cases and deaths Hillary Clinton handily won in 2016. In Florida Dade County has the giants share of the cases, and again solid blue county.

If you broke down county by county of the USA and just looked at the political breakdown, if you were trying to construct any data driven political thesis of Covid, it would be that it is a Democratic disease.

Demographic breakdown of Covid sufferers would corroborate the same thesis.

I am not Smudger. I definitely think Trump and right wing have extremely horrible political messaging, and it is definitely costing lives. But the political narrative that the media (and this thread) is pumping out just doesn't match the data; unless you take a giant deductive leap that overwhelmingly Democratic voters are taking their marching orders from President Trump, Fox News and right wing governors, which doesn't seem plausible at all.
that has been explained.

POC tend to be overly represented to a massive degree within the front line workers bracket. Whether that be in health care or the food industry or the food processing plants or working in nursing homes.

They also tend to be disproportionately poorer with less health care access
and use public transit more.

So while wealthier people with discretion stay home and shelter in place these people keep going to work to indoor spaces where social distancing is not possible.


And I don't think these facts escape Trump and his team. Normally I wouild not want to suggest seriously as anyone would be so callous about deaths that they would see it as a benefit but i think Trump and team see this as a no lose situation.

They look at it as :

- the economy opening up again is a win
- IF covid does not spread badly again, win
- IF Covid does spread again badly it will disproportionately kill off POC who typically vote against me, win
- IF Covid is raging around election time and Covid is disproportionately raving POC they may vote in lower percentages, win


Trump is a guy who believes every single vote counts. He would do anything for one more vote. And a vote by subtraction is as good or better than a vote by addition.
Cuepee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:15 PM   #1607
Kelhus100
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,653
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by d2_e4 View Post
Kel, you never answered my post in the other thread. Do you think you might be slightly dyslexic?
I never saw the post.

You never know for sure I guess, but it seems unlikely I have any form of dyslexia.
Kelhus100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:23 PM   #1608
Kelhus100
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,653
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte View Post
Lol yes. The most populated counties in Texas and Florida have the most covid cases. If you were looking at which counties had the most people with prime social security numbers you'd find the exact same thing.
These counties all have a proportionally much higher % of cases/deaths than their populations would predict.

I didn't even realize that was something everyone didn't know. Sometimes I really forget how disconnected from reality most people are because of media narrative bias.

As just one example, Dade County is 10% population of Florida and ~25% cases/deaths. Do you expect Dade also has 25% of people with prime social security numbers?
Kelhus100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:28 PM   #1609
Kelhus100
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,653
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuepee View Post
that has been explained.

POC tend to be overly represented to a massive degree within the front line workers bracket. Whether that be in health care or the food industry or the food processing plants or working in nursing homes.

They also tend to be disproportionately poorer with less health care access
and use public transit more.

So while wealthier people with discretion stay home and shelter in place these people keep going to work to indoor spaces where social distancing is not possible.


And I don't think these facts escape Trump and his team. Normally I wouild not want to suggest seriously as anyone would be so callous about deaths that they would see it as a benefit but i think Trump and team see this as a no lose situation.

They look at it as :

- the economy opening up again is a win
- IF covid does not spread badly again, win
- IF Covid does spread again badly it will disproportionately kill off POC who typically vote against me, win
- IF Covid is raging around election time and Covid is disproportionately raving POC they may vote in lower percentages, win


Trump is a guy who believes every single vote counts. He would do anything for one more vote. And a vote by subtraction is as good or better than a vote by addition.
Ok, I am not sure how accurate this argument is, but it at least maps reality much better than the last 5 pages of posts of this thread. Covid is being spread by re-opening and people going out into the world, with some people being put more at risk by this than others.

Some small % of people are probably getting sick and dying for political choice reasons, but statistics don't support a thesis this is the main story of what is going on.
Kelhus100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:35 PM   #1610
MrWookie
Don't Call Me Meredith
 
MrWookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Treating my drinking problem.
Posts: 94,281
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
These counties all have a proportionally much higher % of cases/deaths than their populations would predict.

I didn't even realize that was something everyone didn't know. Sometimes I really forget how disconnected from reality most people are because of media narrative bias.

As just one example, Dade County is 10% population of Florida and ~25% cases/deaths. Do you expect Dade also has 25% of people with prime social security numbers?
Weren't you just in here talking about how Canada's tremendously low population density (lol) is why they're so much better off? And yeah, Cupee's post is correct. It's also pretty ****ing dishonest to blame Democratic mayors when their orders for lockdowns, masks, etc. are being explicitly nullified by Republican governors.
MrWookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:46 PM   #1611
d2_e4
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
d2_e4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 6,785
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
I never saw the post.

You never know for sure I guess, but it seems unlikely I have any form of dyslexia.
Maybe a tad dysgraphic then? Work with me here.
d2_e4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:48 PM   #1612
Kelhus100
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,653
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Some democratic politicians have made bad choices, especially early in the disease, but I am not arguing democratic counties getting hit hard is because of their leadership.

I am arguing the political narrative going on in this thread that Covid is sweeping through Trumpland because trumpkin’s bad politics (and therefore we shouldn’t feel sorry for people dying) just doesn’t seem to map reality very well.
Kelhus100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:50 PM   #1613
Kelhus100
banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 2,653
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by d2_e4 View Post
Maybe a tad dysgraphic then? Work with me here.
I am not that familiar with the etiology of dyslexia. What symptoms would I be looking for to determine likelihood of being a tad dyslexic?
Kelhus100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:54 PM   #1614
WaitingOnAP
centurion
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 152
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
Some democratic politicians have made bad choices, especially early in the disease, but I am not arguing democratic counties getting hit hard is because of their leadership.

I am arguing the political narrative going on in this thread that Covid is sweeping through Trumpland because trumpkin’s bad politics (and therefore we shouldn’t feel sorry for people dying) just doesn’t seem to map reality very well.
Except that it does.
WaitingOnAP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 08:56 PM   #1615
d2_e4
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
d2_e4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 6,785
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
I am not that familiar with the etiology of dyslexia. What symptoms would I be looking for to determine likelihood of being a tad dyslexic?
Writing "hand waive" 3 times - two of them in the space of about half an hour, the second after being corrected and acknowledging it, and the third a week or so later is a pretty massive tell.

I've also corrected you on something before (ferment/foment), you acknowledged it, and made the same mistake literally half an hour later.

I'm not even trolling at this point, I'm just curious. You obviously acknowledge the corrections, but you keep making the same mistakes.
d2_e4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:04 PM   #1616
goofyballer
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
goofyballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 70,901
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
I am not Smudger
lol yes you are
goofyballer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:09 PM   #1617
d2_e4
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
d2_e4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 6,785
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Smudger is at the very least bipoloar. He is manic. Whatever you think of Kel, calling him as bad as Smudger is really doing a disservice to how ******ed Smudger is.
d2_e4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:11 PM   #1618
MrWookie
Don't Call Me Meredith
 
MrWookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Treating my drinking problem.
Posts: 94,281
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
Some democratic politicians have made bad choices, especially early in the disease, but I am not arguing democratic counties getting hit hard is because of their leadership.

I am arguing the political narrative going on in this thread that Covid is sweeping through Trumpland because trumpkin’s bad politics (and therefore we shouldn’t feel sorry for people dying) just doesn’t seem to map reality very well.
Then you are being deliberately disingenuous. Covid-19 is sweeping through states (also LA county and Las Vegas, which were both really stupid but not for Trumpkins) where Trumpkin governors took actions that directly led to outbreaks, and they tend to have the highest authority in their states when it comes to masks, lockdowns, and other countermeasures, even overriding mayors who wanted more restrictions. That these are concentrated in cities with high population, high population density, and a high population of poorer people is completely unsurprising. Tulsa is getting ravaged now too, but it is unsurprising that you didn't include a city that didn't fit your narrative.
MrWookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:25 PM   #1619
ecriture d'adulte
veteran
 
ecriture d'adulte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,481
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelhus100 View Post
These counties all have a proportionally much higher % of cases/deaths than their populations would predict.

I didn't even realize that was something everyone didn't know. Sometimes I really forget how disconnected from reality most people are because of media narrative bias.

As just one example, Dade County is 10% population of Florida and ~25% cases/deaths. Do you expect Dade also has 25% of people with prime social security numbers?
Donald Trump won the top 4 counties in cases per 100k in Florida. The problem with you isn't the fact that you don't know a lot, it's that you know so much that just isn't so.
ecriture d'adulte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:28 PM   #1620
ecriture d'adulte
veteran
 
ecriture d'adulte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,481
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by d2_e4 View Post
Smudger is at the very least bipoloar. He is manic. Whatever you think of Kel, calling him as bad as Smudger is really doing a disservice to how ******ed Smudger is.
Kelhaus is really, really bad though. I think I would rather teach math or physics to Smudger than Kelhaus. At least Smudger won't run off to crackpots and actively undo any progress I make.
ecriture d'adulte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:28 PM   #1621
Monteroy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,675
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

I guess I can ask him why Tulsa county (population about 600,000 which includes the city and rural areas) compared to a more population dense Canadian city of the same population size (which is also located close to a 5 million population city) has about 30-40 times the number of daily cases, but he already explained it was because of New Jersey.
Monteroy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:31 PM   #1622
d2_e4
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
d2_e4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 6,785
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Quote:
Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte View Post
Kelhaus is really, really bad though. I think I would rather teach math or physics to Smudger than Kelhaus. At least Smudger won't run off to vrackpots and actively undo any progress I make.
You obviously have a lot more faith in Smudger than I do.

I smell a prop bet. How about 10k and you have Smudger for a month, then I give him a maths test that comprises only basic algebra, exponentials, and derivatives? Quote to book

ETA: no complex numbers. Just standard stuff we all should have learnt in high school.

ETA: Would def never offer the same terms with Kel.

Last edited by d2_e4; 07-11-2020 at 09:38 PM.
d2_e4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 09:45 PM   #1623
goofyballer
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
goofyballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 70,901
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

goofyballer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 10:00 PM   #1624
Huehuecoyotl
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Huehuecoyotl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: It's hard to get by on a smile
Posts: 29,285
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

Huehuecoyotl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2020, 10:19 PM   #1625
itshotinvegas
banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 7,936
re: Covid-19, lockdowns and reopenings

It's sad, but sometimes people need an example.
itshotinvegas is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive