The difference between a variant and a mutation is?

Anyway this is worth considering.

Why No Debate About Leaky Vaccines.

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Do you know what “leaky vaccines” are? There’s a good chance you don’t because discussion about them has been mostly shunted to the fringes of the web, with videos on the subject even excised from Youtube. The subject is treated as though it is something only tinfoil hat-wearing loons would take seriously.

But leaky vaccines have been an established concern in the medical community for years. A paper discussing the potential problems with them was published in a reputable medical journal by experts well before anyone had heard of Covid.

In brief, leaky vaccines don’t offer full protection against the virus they are designed to deal with. Such vaccines don’t stop you from catching the virus. They work in the sense that they are likely to reduce your symptoms and lessen the chance of transmission to others.

That’s a good thing, but researchers have worried that leaky vaccines can have potential drawbacks, possibly very serious ones. If a vaccine erects an imperfect barrier against a virus, one the virus can sometimes breach even if weakly, the virus persists and has every incentive and opportunity to adapt. That is, it is encouraged to grow stronger.

Over time, variants of the virus are likely to find a way past the immune system’s defences mounted by the vaccine. Because the new variant has an evolutionary advantage over the original strain of virus, it comes to dominate – until a new variant supplants it in turn.
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‘Waning immunity’
So what does this have to do with Covid?

As you may have already guessed, the Covid vaccines are all leaky vaccines. In fact, it appears they were known to be leaky before the first person was vaccinated with them. It’s just no one thought to highlight it to us – not our politicians, the vaccine-makers or the corporate media.

We can see quite how leaky they are in the current obsession with “booster” shots to deal with what are being called “breakthrough” cases – only months after most people received what they assumed would be their one and only round of vaccination.

The justification for these boosters is framed as dealing with “waning immunity” and the fact that the delta variant is more “transmissable”. But this medical jargon, though reassuring, may in fact be concealing something significant about the direction the virus is heading in – something that was evident in earlier vaccine research.

‘Nastier’ viral strains
Until Covid, the only way to research how leaky vaccines worked in the midst of a major epidemic was by studying their use in animals. These studies were carried out in part because of concerns about what the effects of leaky vaccines might be if used during a human pandemic.

We now have that pandemic.

In 2015, four years before anyone had ever heard of Covid, the scientific journal PLOS Biology published a paper titled “Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens”. It examined what happened in the treatment of chickens for a virus called Marek’s disease, caused by a strain of herpes more virulent – if you’re a chicken – than Ebola.

As one of the researchers concluded: “Our research demonstrates that the use of leaky vaccines can promote the evolution of nastier ‘hot’ viral strains that put unvaccinated individuals at greater risk.”

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So the solution is simple, no? Just ensure everyone gets vaccinated. (We’ll draw a veil over the issue of what to do with those who can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons.)

But there is a potential problem here too. Because if the leaky vaccines simply allow the virus to adapt and evolve, never putting out the fire, the virus keeps spreading and could get more deadly over time. As with those superbugs, we could reach a point where much nastier strains of the virus become resistant to all the vaccines we have. Delta may be an early indication of how this might happen.

That’s the theory anyway. No one can be sure whether that is what will happen with the Covid pandemic for two reasons.

First, because – from what I can tell – a leaky vaccine has never before been used in the midst of a global pandemic. This is uncharted territory.

And second, because in the case of those chickens, the spread of the disease could be halted, in addition to vaccination, through the culling of infected animals. That – I should hope – is not a solution anyone is contemplating for dealing with Covid.

No debate
Now for the disclaimer. I am not a doctor. I don’t know what the most likely outcome of using leaky vaccines against Covid is, and I don’t claim to. In any case, I doubt most readers care what I think on the subject.

What I am concerned about – and I would hope most other people are too – is that experts in this field be allowed to have a medical debate about these issues in public.

Which is exactly what isn’t happening at the moment. Corporate media companies, from the New York Times and BBC to Facebook and Youtube – many of them invested in pharmaceuticals themselves – are deciding that you shouldn’t even know that the Covid vaccines are leaky, let alone the potential pitfalls.

Maybe that wouldn’t be so serious if we could trust the medical establishment and regulatory authorities to be doing that job for us. But it seems clear we can’t.

The truth is that most doctors, even eminent ones, are little better placed than you or me to judge the dangers of leaky vaccines. This is a very specialist field of research. Those qualified to have an expert opinion on the matter are mostly those doing advanced and very costly research for vaccine companies, especially those working on mRNA technology which has been so central to the Covid vaccination programme.

Pfizer had already stole all the Merck thunder with a much higher efficacy rate. Lets hope it continues to hold up.

PFIZER’S NOVEL COVID-19 ORAL ANTIVIRAL TREATMENT CANDIDATE REDUCED RISK OF HOSPITALIZATION OR DEATH BY 89% IN INTERIM ANALYSIS OF PHASE 2/3 EPIC-HR STUDY
Friday, November 05, 2021 -

Joe Biden doesn't care about black people.

Oh well. I though we might make it through a few more days of the fantasy we might stop it getting here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59445388

Now we hope the vaccine still prevents serious illness effectively. That looks a lot more hopeful

I was sure that in Season 3 Optimist Prime had defeated Omicron, once and for all???

Is anyone or anything ever really defeated once and for all?

Good point.

If we had just locked down our North American economies longer and harsher Omicron and delta wouldn't exist!

No. Silly snarky comment from a Let it Rip proponent... is silly.

If we had Let it Rip in N.America the result would simply be waves more mass death before we advanced on knowledge on therapeutics and got the vaccine. That is really all. This Sweden compared to its neighbouring Nord's.

Front loading deaths via Herd Immunity is just about the silliest thing you can do when we get better at fighting the virus every month due to learnings and especially since we saw that Letting it Rip did not provide Sweden any real economic benefits, in staying more open, over their Nordic peers who were more closed.


What would have helped would have been focusing on getting the 3rd world vaccinated instead of cow towing to the profit motives of Big Pharma who say 'no giant Profit, no vaccine for those countries, as we will make lots more money from variants'.

Big Pharma could have easily said to the Generic Drug makers, go to it but you pay us X cents on the dollar as a license to use our patents. 100% EXTRA pure profit with no cost for Big Pharma as the masses get vaxxed but they know they make more profit if they let variants plague us for years and they get to do new boosters each year. It is pure economics for them to choose that profit over the License profit, even if it means more deaths.

No given were it came from it seems the most appropriate

I am still waiting for CNN to call Biden a Xenophobe and will be responsible for violence against African Americans

Most of the scientists say its to late.

im ****ing hoping this isn a big deal or its just being "exaggerated" and im hoping our admin doesn't have to really tackle this issue. but in worst case scenario they do have to handle it, i ll be interesting to see how they do, especially how many felt trump handled it beyond poor.

I wonder if either party is in favor of lockdowns?

They shouldn't be in favor of any lockdowns but who knows which spineless coward leader will propose it again.

If the clinical data indicating safety profile is pretty clean (no serious side effects) holds up, 30% reduction in death is still pretty darn good.

I'll take any EV I can.

Both parties in all states have locked down (repeatedly) when hospitalization overruns looked very likely or had already started to happen. IMO the lockdowns were about 3 weeks late but in almost every case stopped the overruns before people died from things other than Covid due to lack of ICU bed availability.

It is true that in the last Covid wave we had hospital overruns in states like Florida, Texas, etc. that did cause deaths to non Covid emergencies so it may be that some Red State governors now don't care at all any more about the lives of their constituents. But I would guess that in most Red States if hospitals were vastly overrun there would be indoor mask mandates and shutdowns of bars and indoor dining. In Blue states we have already seen vaccine mandates for indoor dining, shows, etc. so I would doubt there would be a need for shutdowns but if the Omicron variant eludes vaccines, then yes we will see shutdowns in Blue States as well.

So many of the complaints about Trump were just on boneheaded messaging/lies. Don’t say we have 15 cases soon to be 0 when you know Italy is about to lockdown and there is no way we’re isolated enough from them, don’t bash testing when it’s the only hope to avoid lockdowns after there is obvious community spread, don’t have idiots like Kushner and Stephen Miller draft the most important address of your presidency which says you’re blocking cargo from
China when you’re only restricting travel by non citizens/permanent residents, don’t riff about injecting disinfects after skimming and misunderstanding routine studies on sterilization techniques, don’t promote stuff as miracle cures that in reality have an efficacy somewhere between not at all and slightly better than placebos.

The actual decisions are usually going to be debatable, in that you can make a case for something and it’s negation, but much of Trump’s behavior doesn’t fall into that category.

politicians being crap doens't mean hard problems have easy solutions

I can't believe I am saying this, but chez is spot on with this comment.

wat

I'm not in favor of a lockdown (and I suspect like 98% of American politicians would agree at this time), but proposing a rule that would be hated by the vast majority of the populace and opposed by powerful corporations and other interests is the exact opposite of cowardly. It would be a BRAVE act, even if it's not a good idea.

We in America haven't had a real COVID LOCKDOWN. Even in like April 2020 when many of the stores were closed, it was at most a pseudo-lockdown.

Heinz should sponsor Covid-19

Lol, this article is such a piece of **** it's kind of hilarious.

Are you paying attention yet?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ules-us-entry/

^^^regardless of vaccine status. Talk about post purchase dissonance

WHO says most omnicron cases are mild and countries shouldn't over react. Also saying no evidence yet vaccines don't work against it. You mean knee jerk fear mongering reactions aren't the best choice? Who woulda guessed it. Ofc this is still new but prelim findings point to easier transmission and milder cases. I say countries should totally freak out with every new variant much like my neice when she sees a spider

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...s-who-12483729

Don't fret doomsdayers- one of the next variants will surely wipe us all out but probably not this one

For all variants there has been somewhat of a media frenzy and among those who consume a lot of media. For individuals, it's wise to sit back a while and await judgment until numbers are in and listen to advice from health authorities, not from headlines.

But countries obviously shouldn't do nothing. Taking basic precautions until better data is available is more than justified. While there have been variants that were more benign than pessimists originally believed, the delta variant hit hard.

In the word's of the great man himself, don't panic.

Here's a fun story

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ovid-in-london
Mild symptoms which is very good. Triple vaxxed which is a bit less good