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08-03-2021 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NLOmahaHL
Cases among children have risen 5-fold in Montgomery County here in TX last month.

From an article:

" "I have great concerns about it,” said Dr. Robert Dickson, Montgomery County Hospital District director.

Dickson said COVID cases among children there rose by five times from June to July after five months of decreasing cases, although only a small percentage have been seriously ill.

"A small percentage does not mean a small percentage if that’s your loved one," Dickson said. "If that’s your child.” "

https://www.khou.com/article/news/ed...7-278b01416771

Pretty sure this is the real 2nd wave.
Actually, a small percentage = a small percentage. I crunched the numbers.
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08-04-2021 , 01:07 AM
I think he means when 50% of your own kids die of Covid it’s not a small percentage for their loved ones.
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08-04-2021 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Decision to mix vaccines could cause travel difficulties for millions of Canadians



Canada’s move to mix COVID-19 vaccines as part of a strategy to quickly immunize as much of the population as possible could present travel challenges to millions of people who received different doses.



While research has shown that mixing a viral vector vaccine, such as AstraZeneca, followed by an mRNA vaccine, such as Pfizer, produces a significant immune response, some countries, including many in the European Union, don’t recognize certain vaccines and vaccine combinations.



That means that those with mixed doses may not be considered fully vaccinated and could require additional COVID-19 safety measures such as testing and quarantining. Cruise lines can also deny boarding to passengers...
What's their research they've done on this? Have they even had 6 months with any significant sample size.
Just sounds like they're throwing **** up against the wall and see what sticks like everyone else.
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08-04-2021 , 04:15 AM
^^^ I spent hours trawling the internet before my 2nd dose to decide if I would mix or stay with viral vector. Sufficed to say the studies done are not robust. I'm not looking it all up again but from what I remember there were not a lot...like 3 or 4 that kept popping up. And certainly no large samples, ranging from 29 ppl to a bit over a thousand and for sure not lengthy studies either. At the end of the day these vaccines are already a bit on the "rushed" side, so I figured why push it. But doubt there will be trouble for those who mixed, and I'd bet it'll be recognized if not sooner than later
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08-04-2021 , 04:28 AM
Yeah it's not a big deal, just find it funny the way it's presented like there's been all this research.

I know they can't just come out and say we don't really know but it can't hurt. Just get a chuckle out of it.

Also Thailand now offering the AZ as a 2nd shot to people that got a Sinovac 1st shot. I'd be shocked if there were any local trials at all. LOL
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08-04-2021 , 04:31 AM
I don't expect restrictions on those with a mix of vaccines will last a long time. Countries are going for the quick fixes initially, and erring on the side of caution. I think that's what drove the UK decision on allowing the US and not Canada - come to an agreement with, and/or come to terms with documentation of, the far bigger economy first, worry about Canada later. Same with vaccinations - allow the same vaccinations you've already approved, widen it later as you learn more.
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08-04-2021 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I only tend to watch Chris Wallace on Sunday mornings on Fox and the Five for entertainment value. But with the Holiday I decided to see if right wing media is in fact doing that. I was shocked to see the Fox & Friends crew bring up the fact they were all vaccinated and please go get vaccinated. As well on the website they have a vaccine finder. The Five keeps saying get the vaccine .

Their outrage seems to be more from the fact all the vaccinated folks now need to wear masks to protect the unvaccinated.

Also I am curious when Don Lemon says unless your vaccinated you need to be turned away at all businesses I wonder if he would support that for voting also
I generally tend to believe you but I must say I am very skeptical now.

It is certainly possible that the one time you tuned in to Fox outside Wallace was the sudden shift to stating they are vaccinated and you missed the months and months prior where they refused to address it while tossing tons of misinformation out. And now when they are back to lots of misinformation.

Coincidences do happen but if someone says "I generally do not listen to Trump speeches but the one time I tuned he mentioned he was vaccinate and i never heard him ever throw doubt in the airwaves', well...
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08-04-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I generally tend to believe you but I must say I am very skeptical now.

It is certainly possible that the one time you tuned in to Fox outside Wallace was the sudden shift to stating they are vaccinated and you missed the months and months prior where they refused to address it while tossing tons of misinformation out. And now when they are back to lots of misinformation.

Coincidences do happen but if someone says "I generally do not listen to Trump speeches but the one time I tuned he mentioned he was vaccinate and i never heard him ever throw doubt in the airwaves', well...
I tend to get up in the morning catch the local news for 15 minutes and than its usually Morning Joe. In the afternoons I may watch the first 30 minutes of the five and than PTI . Sunday mornings is Chris Wallace & Meet The Press
Other than that I enjoy The Breaking Point
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08-04-2021 , 09:07 PM
Airbnb suspends host who refused accommodation to vaccinated guests

Airbnb has suspended a Victorian host for barring guests who have recently received the coronavirus vaccine and falsely claiming they might infect others.

The host of Ruby Hills Organic Chook Shed in Walkerville in south-west Gippsland stated on her Airbnb listing that she did not accept bookings from guests who had been vaccinated with “experimental C-19 gene therapy vaccines” in the past three weeks...



“Due to the fact that this jab has not been safety tested and is showing signs of transfection [sic] to those that have not had it, we are doing our best to keep our family and fertility safe,” the host wrote.

“Thank you for your understanding. This is a strict policy.”...
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08-04-2021 , 10:48 PM
they should sue airbnb, a person afraid of the dangers of the vaccine has just as much a right to rent her home out to those also afraid of the vaccine as those who like the vaccine have to rent space out to others who are vaccinnated.

everyone needs a place to stay in peace, vaccinnated or not.

people like me who were born autistic have a right to be untrusting of any type of vaccine. thats why so many more people have autism than 50 years ago and why u dont find it among groups such as the amish.
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08-05-2021 , 01:15 AM
sue Airbnb for what?

They can still rent out their property to anyone they want and deny those they do not.

No one has a right to list on Airbnb and Airbnb does have a right to set their own policies.
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08-05-2021 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sevencard2003
they should sue airbnb, a person afraid of the dangers of the vaccine has just as much a right to rent her home out to those also afraid of the vaccine as those who like the vaccine have to rent space out to others who are vaccinnated.

everyone needs a place to stay in peace, vaccinnated or not.

people like me who were born autistic have a right to be untrusting of any type of vaccine. thats why so many more people have autism than 50 years ago and why u dont find it among groups such as the amish.
Being afraid of the vaccine is one thing - being afraid of people who got the vaccine is...well, I don't know what to call that fear other than extremely unfounded. But they are probably going to need to stay home going forward, as they'll be surrounded by vaccinated people almost everywhere they go. And they aren't going to find a lot of places that will protect them from the vaccinated.

That said, Cuepee is right of course - sue them for what? Kind of silly to suggest someone has the right to only rent their place to unvaccinated people, but then suggest Airbnb doesn't also have the right to choose who uses their services.
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08-05-2021 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Being afraid of the vaccine is one thing - being afraid of people who got the vaccine is...well, I don't know what to call that fear other than extremely unfounded.....
You're a nice guy, so I'll finish it for you: they're batshit crazy
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08-05-2021 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Being afraid of the vaccine is one thing - being afraid of people who got the vaccine is...well, I don't know what to call that fear other than extremely unfounded. But they are probably going to need to stay home going forward, as they'll be surrounded by vaccinated people almost everywhere they go. And they aren't going to find a lot of places that will protect them from the vaccinated.

That said, Cuepee is right of course - sue them for what? Kind of silly to suggest someone has the right to only rent their place to unvaccinated people, but then suggest Airbnb doesn't also have the right to choose who uses their services.
I'm not really sure what the cure is for people who build their reality around memes full of false/deliberately misrepresentative info
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08-05-2021 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
NYC requiring vaccination for indoor dining, gym and other events

would think other big cities would follow suit
Hopefully the city won't actually enforce that law.
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08-05-2021 , 01:52 PM
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08-05-2021 , 06:15 PM
Quebec to implement vaccine passport due to rising COVID-19 cases, premier says

The premier said Quebecers are on the cusp of a fourth wave of the pandemic and that a vaccine passport will be implemented as a response. On Thursday, the province recorded 305 new coronavirus cases — the highest daily increase since May 30, 2021 ...

Legault said "certain privileges" will be extended to people who are adequately vaccinated against the virus,..

On Wednesday, the ministry of health told CTV News that unvaccinated or partially vaccinated Quebecers accounted for 92 per cent of new COVID-19 cases from July 1 to 24.

"The purpose of the vaccine passport is to allow access to non-essential activities for properly vaccinated people," ...

As of Thursday, 83 per cent of eligible Quebecers have been vaccinated with one dose, while 67 per cent of the eligible population is fully vaccinated...
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08-05-2021 , 08:38 PM
Australia just keeps getting better. Not only do citizens abroad have to apply to return home, but are even banned from leaving oz. Citizens with dual citizenship are not allowed to return to their other home country. What a flaming joke

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...turn-for-visit
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08-05-2021 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Hopefully the city won't actually enforce that law.
I hope they do, I think it's reasonable.
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08-05-2021 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I hope they do, I think it's reasonable.
Even a government mask mandate in a restaurant is borderline at best; a vaccine mandate to even enter a restaurant is government overreach.

Even the newly-elected mayor opposes this mandate. Maybe he's one of the few sane politicians left in NYC. Probably why he got elected.

Hopefully the SC will overturn this nonsense.

addendum: If the Woke Crowd was consistent, they would call this law blatantly racist, given that it is POC who are more likely than the White Wokesters to not want the vaccine.
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08-05-2021 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Even a government mask mandate in a restaurant is borderline at best; a vaccine mandate to even enter a restaurant is government overreach.

Even the newly-elected mayor opposes this mandate. Maybe he's one of the few sane politicians left in NYC. Probably why he got elected.

Hopefully the SC will overturn this nonsense.

addendum: If the Woke Crowd was consistent, they would call this law blatantly racist, given that it is POC who are more likely than the White Wokesters to not want the vaccine.
Vaccine requirements to enroll in school, or to travel to certain places is nothing new. I realize requiring them for a restaurant is a different beast, but then so is COVID.
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08-08-2021 , 12:35 AM
I keep hearing and reading reports that, in some states, the percentage of the population that is fully vaccinated against the COVID virus is below 50 percent. (I'm not sure about my home state of Alabama, but I believe we're below the 50 percent threshold. Arkansas is at 37 percent. There are other states with equally dismal numbers.) As long as the proportion of the unvaccinated stays above 50 percent, we'll never achieve herd immunity - unless or until most of the unvaccinated die off. I have a proposal for getting the percentage of vaccinated Americans well above the 50 percent threshold, but it will require someone (or some Government entity?) with very deep pockets to step forward.

I live approximately 20 miles south of the Tennessee state line. Alabama does not have a lottery, but Tennessee does. So what do we have? Literally every day my fellow Alabamians are hopping in their cars and driving across the state line to buy Powerball tickets and scratch off lottery tickets. (Hell, I've done it a few times myself - which probably explains why some folks love playing poker with me ...)

So how do we get herd immunity? Suppose the Gates Foundation - or the Government for that matter - announces a $100,000,000.00 ($100 million) lottery drawing where a single individual will win the entire amount. All one has to do to enter this lottery is "buy" their lottery ticket by getting fully vaccinated. (Nobody will be forcing you to get the vaccination - it will be totally your choice - but if you fail to "enter" the lottery, you will have no chance of winning the $100 million.) People who have already been fully vaccinated are automatically entered in this lottery. All one would have to do to be entered in the "Vaccination Lottery" is show their vaccination card that they received when they were vaccinated.

To encourage rapid participation in this lottery, the "registration period" might be extended out 120 days from a certain start date. Let's suppose the "Start Date" is September 1st. Extending out 120 days from September 1st would produce a cutoff date of [approximately] December 28th. (It probably wouldn't hurt to fudge a little bit and extend the cutoff date to midnight of December 31st.) If you haven't gotten fully vaccinated by the cutoff date then you're Sh**out-of-Luck - you have no chance of winning the lottery. The drawing for the winner could be broadcast live during the Super Bowl. (That should guarantee the highest ratings ever for the Super Bowl.)

I'm sure a skeptic will point out flaws in my thinking and other reasons why a scheme like this won't work, but I can't think of a better way of overcoming vaccine resistance and vaccine hesitancy than appealing to peoples' basest instinct. After all, this is what makes lotteries work in the states that have them - people believing they can overcome tremendous odds and get rich quick. Since that instinct is innate among so many of us, we might as well use it to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

If somebody can think of a better way than this to achieve herd immunity, I would love to hear it.
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08-08-2021 , 02:08 AM
50 - 70 % is a good number. These vaccine types serve a lot of good but are also an aggressive choice.
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08-08-2021 , 02:22 AM
A lot of places are already doing lotteries - albeit not to that scale - to encourage vaccination. I haven't seen any real evidence showing their effectiveness
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08-08-2021 , 02:36 AM
The chance of becoming a millionaire isn’t worth it for me to go to the gas station and spend ten bucks on a ticket. So if I’m a hardcore antivaxxer, why would this be remotely persuasive? A bunch of states have lottos, they probably help a bit, but I doubt a really really big lotto changes t psychology much.
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