Please do watch this though.

See above. Trust me. It's an important interview.

Sorry no. I've no reason to think am icu doctor is any more expert or reliable than a source like lee.

If you have a case then make it yourself and back it up with facts and/or quotes from experts such as Gupta.

Sweden the only country in Europe that got it right. The case for that is explained in the video. I don't expect you to watch the video nor should you expect me to argue a negative. The onus is on you guys. If you notice I have been arguing against your(plural) silly points and mine have been missed and round we go.
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The burden is on anyone arguing For lockdown.

Well here's some mortality data.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Deaths per 100k population

Sweden: 138
Germany: 102
Denmark: 47
Finland: 17
Norway: 14

They are doing better than the Uk and some others but not remotely close to the best in Europe.

Yes better than fifty percent of all the countries in Europe and worse than the other fifty percent of the countries in Europe. When I last checked. As I pointed out ITT. And round we go. If you recall we did the same for the USA. The stringency v deaths per mil of individual states. Round we go.

Well they're pretty close to the top of the list in the data I linked of the world and they look awful compared to the most obvious comparable countries (although maybe there are some less obvious differences).

Claiming a victory based on this data is absurd. It will provide much interesting fodder to the experts who will try to isolate the law based lockdown factor from all the others.

They were bang in the middle of Europe. Comparing Sweden to the ROW is fruitless.

You could at least as easily say right at the bottom of the Nordics and comparisons with the rest of Europe are fruitless.

Nah you can't. That's silly for two reasons or one reason however you look at it. The seasonality of covid in Europe, a temperate climate in the northern hemisphere of the world is predictable. We have been through two seasonal humps thus far. The trend is similar all over Europe. Slight exceptions, and difference in triggering of course but on the big picture it's not too much of a remarkable difference. So then, just as you wouldn't compare the Netherlands to it's direct neighbour, Ireland to the UK, Belgium to Luxembourg, we then don't compare Sweden to Norway. You can whatever your bias find what you're looking for otherwise.

Real science is looking for things that disprove your hypothesis bro.

I disagree. I have no idea how you confidently assert any conclusions from such complex data when its going to take a massive amont of work to make sense of it.

There are so many factors when comparing countries that I dont know where you even started.

I like this video but seems strange of those 2 pennies I personally know 3 people who have passed from Covid and I really don't know that many people.

Unsuprisingly the Indian variant is well established in the UK now and growing fast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57109660

Wont be long until we have a decent handle on how effective the vaccines are on stopping serious cases and deaths.

So is the fact that this was a lab leak going to prolong all this mess ?

I really did suspect something like that when I heard how varied the symptoms were and how efficiently it destroyed the lungs.

Just wondering if this has actually been dealt with right now.

So I watched your CDC announcement yesterday and kudos to the USA on not having to wear masks.
Funny thing was I flipped between Fox and CNN and it was night and day.
One was great we no longer have to wear masks if were vaccinated but if you choose to good for you the other
Its to soon what if I go to a meeting of 20 people and I am vaccinated and some others are not but lie and say they are and do not wear a mask.

If you think the bolded constitutes any type of reasonable point it does not.

In any type of threat or potential disaster situation action almost always had to be taken without full understanding the costs both in terms of people lost and economics.

Whether it is jumping in to a war to fight against Hitler or racing in men and supplies after Katrina, or most other things, the exercise of measuring costs is almost always done after when the data is available.

That lack of foreknowledge, in no way, leads to a response of 'well then we should not act and instead do nothing' when the certain things is that mass death is assured to continue as a result of a 'do nothing' policy.

Funny how the GOP made masks a political issue at the start and now Democrats seem to be doing the same.

This hilarious. It's like their both politicians making things political or something like that

Before the CDC announcement I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about how a year ago we had a president who was causing problems because he wouldn't wear a mask, and now we have one who won't take the mask off inducing people not to get vaccinated.

They're*****

In reality though it's still masks pretty much everywhere indoors(unless you're actually outdoors and not just on your way inside somewhere) from what I see out in the wild here. Personally I'm kinda done especially now that the weather's warm and ready to say goodbye to them.

I heard Vegas casinos have dropped the masks? Here in Canada we got a ways to go still . Hoping the border opens by July 1

Yeah was at bellagio and masks are voluntary now . I think it was if you’re vaccinated , you no longer need to wear one . And no body wears it anymore except the staff
It was actually the busiest I’ve ever seen vegas. Hopefully ny is next